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Found sth in тαℓмυd
« on: November 02, 2011, 06:52:58 AM »
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  •   I just found something about тαℓмυdic modesty in wikipedia and saw it was so similar to what we (in a moslem culture) always did. To be honest, I still have difficulty accepting to act otherwise.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzniut

       In Orthodox Judaism men are generally not allowed to hear women sing, a prohibition called kol isha. This is derived from Song of Solomon 2:14: "Let me hear your voice, for your voice is sweet ("arev") and your face is beautiful." The тαℓмυd classifies this as ervah (literally "nakedness"). The majority view of halachic authorities is that this prohibition applies at all times, and forbids a man to pray or study Torah in the presence of a woman who is singing, similar to other prohibitions classified as ervah. A minority view[17] holds that the prohibition of praying or studying in the presence of kol isha applies only while reciting the Shema Yisrael prayer.
    There are also opinions, following Samson Raphael Hirsch and Azriel Hildesheimer, that exclude singing in mixed groups from this prohibition....


    In Orthodox Judaism, men and women who are not married and are not closely related are generally not allowed to touch each other. Many observant married couples will also not touch one another in public. A person who refrains from touching the opposite sex is said to be shomer negiah. Shmirath negiah applies to touching which is b' derech chiba (in an affectionate manner). According to some authorities, mainly of Modern Orthodox background, a quick handshake, particularly in the context of earning a living in a business setting, does not fall under this category. However, people who are stringently shomer negiah will avoid shaking hands with a member of the opposite sex, even in a business context. This is almost universally observed within the Haredi community and somewhat observed within the Modern Orthodox community where the term originated in recent decades.[citation needed]

    Examples of relatives that one may touch include parents, grandparents, grandchildren, and one's spouse if she is not niddah (menstruating). This prohibition is colloquially called shmirath negiah (observance of the laws of touching) or shomer negiah. Whether or not children adopted at a young age are included in this prohibition is a matter of dispute and case-by-case decision.

    In Orthodox Judaism, men and women who are not married to each other and are not immediate blood relatives are not allowed to enter into a secluded situation ("yichud") in a room or in an area that is private. This measure is taken to prevent the possibility of sɛҳuąƖ relations which is prohibited outside of marriage. According to some authorities this applies even between adoptive parents and adoptive children over the age of maturity, while others are more lenient with children adopted from a young age

      Not dwelling on lascivious or immoral thoughts.
      Avoiding staring at members of the opposite sex, particularly at any part of the opposite sex's "private" anatomy.
      Keeping the majority of one's body clothed in respectable clothing at all times.
      Avoiding the company of uncouth individuals or situations where an atmosphere of levity and depravity prevails.
      Avoiding looking at pictures or scenes that will be sɛҳuąƖly arousing.
      Refraining from touching a person of the opposite sex, especially in a lingering arousing manner (shaking hands very quickly in greeting between sexes is a point of dispute, and depends on one's rabbi's halachic decision).
      Not looking at animals or birds copulating.
      Not hugging or kissing one's spouse in public; among Haredim, no physical contact is permissible.

      I wonder why тαℓмυd should be that similar to islam. Ok I know тαℓмυd is a forbidden book full of lies, but still i feel connected to above lines and get scandalized when reading threads like this:
      http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Do-Actors-Sin-When




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    Found sth in тαℓмυd
    « Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 09:15:10 AM »
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  • Excerpt from my Judaism 101 post in the Library section:


    TORAH IN THE TOILET

    “After each bowel movement or urination, even of one drop, you should wash your hands and recite the berachah, asher yatzar. If you urinated or moved your bowels and forgot to recited the berachah, asher yatzar, and after urinating or moving your bowels again, you remembered that you did not recite the berachah,   you need to recite the berachah  only once. After partaking of a laxative that induces diarrhea, and you know that you will use the toilet numerous times, you should not recite the berachah until after all excrement has passed through you.” Berakoth 23a

    “And our rabbis taught:  One who goes to the bathroom in Judea should not do so east and west, but rather north and south.  In Galilee he should do so only east and west….  It has been taught: Rabbi Akiva said: once I went in the bathroom and spied upon Rabbi Joshua while he was on the toilet, and I learned from him three things. I learned that one does not sit east and west, but north and south; I learned that one defecates not standing but sitting; and I learned that it is proper to wipe with the left hand and not with the right. R. Tanhum said: ‘Whoever behaves modestly in a bathroom is delivered from three things: from snakes, from scorpions, and from evil spirits and disturbing dreams.” Berakoth 61b-62a

    “… it is permitted to brush off drops of urine even with one’s right hand, and one may use that hand to kill a louse. When one urinates while standing, and many drops of urine will fall on his feet if he does not lift his penis, he is permitted to raise it by lifting his testicles. If the drops of urine fall on his feet, he should clean them off immediately with his hands and not walk among people in this manner  (since drops of urine on a person’s feet may arouse the suspicion that his penis is mutilated and his children are illegitimate). Him not hold   the penis itself to raise it, for ‘ he who holds his organ is considered as if he brought a flood upon the world,’ lest he become aroused and emit seed wastefully. [This stringency applies]  unless he holds the penis from the corona downward, i.e., towards the ground, for  this will not arouse him.  Alternatively, he may hold [his organ] with a thick cloth, for this too will not arouse him. When a person is married, and his wife is in the same city as he is, and she is ritually pure, the letter of the law permits him to hold his penis even above the corona.” Niddah 13a -43a

    TORAH ON WOMEN

    "...a man may do whatever he pleases with his wife at intercourse: Meat which comes from the abattoir may be eaten salted, roasted, cooked or seethed; so with fish from the fishmonger.... A woman came before Rab and complained [of her husband's sodomy with her], "Rabbi replied: 'Wherein does it differ from fish?" Nedarim 20b, Soncino edition, p.58

    Thanks to the encyclopedic tome by Michael Hoffman, "Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition, and Deceit" (ISBN9780970378453):

    The birth of a girl is a sad occurrence. Baba Bathra 16b

    Women are a "Vain treasure" to their fathers. Sanhedrin 110b

    "Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman, or a slave." Menahoth 43b-44a

    "If two women sit at a crossroads, one on this side and the other on the other side, and they face one another, they are certainly witches." Pesahim 111a

    A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jєωιѕн priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jєωιѕн priest. Yebamoth 59b

    It is not good to talk to women, not even your own wife. Aboth

    Women are lightheaded. Kiddushin 29b

    It is permissible to divorce your wife if she burns your dinner, or if you see a prettier girl. Gittin 91a

    "... the best of women is filled with witchcraft." Kiddushin 66c

    "...the more wives, the more witchcraft." Mishnah Abot 2:7

    Gentile women are "Niddah, Shifchah, Goyyah, and Zonah" (menstrual filth, slaves, heathens, and whores) Sanhedrin 81b-82a


    "At the end of those seven days, during which the woman is supposed to wear white underwear and sleep on white sheets to detect spotting, she inserts a white cloth deep into her vaginal canal. Some also use cloth wadding that they leave in place for about 20 minutes at sunset. If the cloth is clean, the woman then visits a ritual bath, or mikvah. for purification and intimate marital relations are permitted to resume. If the cloth is not clean, there are rules about which stains are insignificant and which require another seven-day period of cleanliness. In some cases, the cloth is brought to a rabbi for inspection." Doborah Sonntag, "Jerusalem Journal: Women Seizing Counseling Role on 'Family Purity'" New York Times, April 11, 2001
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE1DB1631F932A25757C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

    “An intricate set of laws has been established by the rabbis for regulating the woman's contact with others during her Niddah (menstruation) time. Many of these laws (though not all) are derived from the binding and authoritative post-тαℓмυdic Tur and Shulchan Aruch halachic codifications. During that time she has the status of a Niddah,  the following are forbidden:
    1. Women may not engage in frivolous or lightheaded conduct such as excessive laughter or joking.
    2. She may not engage in sports or games,
    3. The use of cosmetics during the Niddah status is prohibited, with the loophole being that if she needs cosmetics to keep her from appearing hideous in her husband's eyes, a moderate amount may be applied.
    4. A husband may not touch his wife when she is a Niddah; not even his small finger may touch her. A woman may not touch her husband when she is a Niddah, not even her small finger may touch him.
    5. It is prohibited to touch her even through clothing or outer garments. Therefore the clothing she is wearing cannot be touched.
    6. Handing an object into her hands, or receiving it from her is prohibited,  even if the object is a long one.
    7. If the kallah (bride)  at her own wedding is Niddah, then the chasan (groom) may only place the ring on his future  wife's finger it he can do so without touching her fingers. It is prohibited to pass a child from a father's hands to the mother's hands while the mother is Niddah.
    8.  The husband may not kiss a child who is in the mother's arms, nor may the mother kiss a child in her husband's arms.
    9.  The husband may not place an object into his wife's  pocket or handbag, shopping bag or anything she is carrying. Similarly he may not remove anything from the pockets, purses, or bags.
    10. Throwing an object in the husband's hand to his wife's lap, or throwing an object  from the wife's lap to her husband's hand, is prohibited. Certain poskim hold that the husband or the wife is permitted to throw an object upward and the other may catch it as it falls (as long as this is not done for enjoyment)
    11. When a woman who is a Niddah is invited to serve as the kvatter  (the person designated to carry the infant boy to the circuмcision), she must decline the offer.
    12.  Picking up a lightweight object is prohibited to the husband if his wife is touching it.
    13.  It is not permissible for a husband to sit on his wife's bed when she is a Niddah, even if she is not present.
    14.  The husband should refrain from blowing off a feather or dust off his wife's garments. Fanning her or blowing on her (e.g.,  in hot weather) is prohibited. It is similarly prohibited for her to do these things for her husband.
    15.  One may not light a candle or a cigarette from a lit candle from a match that  his wife is  holding, nor may he warm himself from its heat.
    16. It is permissible for a wife to hold the Havdallah  candle for her husband, even though he will benefit from its light. However, since  handing or receiving is prohibited,  he may not hand the candle to her before Havdallah nor may he receive it from her after Havdallah, to extinguish it.  
    17. Eating or drinking together at the same table is prohibited.
    18. Eating or drinking together at the same table may be allowed if there is a visible obstruction present.
    19. An object that is usually not on the table, such as a vase or candlestick, may be utilized as a divider when eating or drinking together at the same table.
    20.  A husband and wife    may not eat from the same plate.
    21.  This applies only when the food is eaten immediately upon removal from the plate. However where a plate of food is placed on the table, it is permissible for both of them to remove food from the plate and place it onto their individual plates and then eat it from their own plates.
    22. Not all types of food are included in the prohibition. Only those foods that only a husband and wife would consume from the same dish (for example, soup from the same bowel) are forbidden. Those foods that two strangers would share from the same communal bowl (popcorn etc.) are permissible.
    23.  The husband may not drink from a beverage in a glass that his wife was drinking from, with the following exceptions: if a child drank from the glass or cup after his wife drank from it; if the contents of the glass or cup was transferred to another cup, glass or bottle; if she drank from a glass or cup and then left the room, the husband may drink the beverage remaining in her cup.
    24. Laying together in the same bed is prohibited, no matter how big or wide the bed.
    25. Sleeping in separate beds that touch each other is forbidden. There must be sufficient distance between the separate beds so that the husband cannot roll from his bed to hers, one cubit (approx 26 inches) minimum.
    26.  A woman who is Niddah may not visit a Judaic cemetery.”

    Michael Hoffman, Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition, and Deceit, ISBN9780970378453, p. 745-747.

    Of course you need to know WHEN those rules apply and WHEN different rules apply, so you need to know the rules that define Niddah and the complex rabbinical rules of menstrual science, stains which are Niddah and which are not, hence:

    "At the end of those seven days, during which the woman is supposed to wear white underwear and sleep on white sheets to detect spotting, she inserts a white cloth deep into her vaginal canal. Some also use cloth wadding that they leave in place for about 20 minutes at sunset. If the cloth is clean, the woman then visits a ritual bath, or mikvah. for purification and intimate marital relations are permitted to resume. If the cloth is not clean, there are rules about which stains are insignificant and which require another seven-day period of cleanliness. In some cases, the cloth is brought to a rabbi for inspection." Doborah Sonntag, "Jerusalem Journal: Women Seizing Counseling Role on 'Family Purity'" New York Times, April 11, 2001
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE1DB1631F932A25757C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

    This is critically important because: "Phariseeism begins in menstrual blood." Rabbi Jacob Neusner in Charlotte Elisheva Fonrobert, Menstrual Purity (Stanford University Press, 2000) p. 125.

    Menstrual science of the rabbis according to Mishnah Niddah 2:6-7
    2:6
    A. Five colors of blood are unclean in a woman:
    B. (1) the red, and (2) the black, and (3) bright crocus color, and (4) blood which is like water mixed with earth, and (5) blood which is like water mixed with wine.
    C. The House of Shammai say, “Also: (6) blood the color of water in which fenugreek has been soaked, and (7) blood the color of gravy from roast meat.”
    D. And the House of Hillel declare clean.
    E. Blood which is yellow
    F. Aqavya b. Mahallel declares unclean.
    G. And sages declare clean.
    H. Said R[abbi] Meir, “If it does not impart uncleanness because it is a bloodstain, it imparts uncleanness because it is a liquid.”
    I. R[abbi] Yose says, “Neither thus or so.:
    2:7
    A. What is the red color?
    B. Like the blood of a wound.
    C. Black?
    D.  Like ink sediment.
    E. If it is deeper than this, it is unclean, but if it is lighter than this, it is clean.
    F. And bright crocus color?
    G. Like the brightest shade in it.
    H. Like earthy water?
    I. A color like that produced when over dirt from the valley of Bet Kerem water is made to float.
    J. A color like water mixed with wine?
    K. Two parts water, and one part of wine
    L. making use of wine of Shaon.


    Factbook on Global sɛҳuąƖ Exploitation—Israel
    http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/israel.htm

    Israel's Sex Trade Escalating by Kevin Hechtkopf, CBS News, Jerusalem, March 23, 2005
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/23/world/main682673.shtml

    Sex slavery and Israel’s failure to fight the growing trade
    by Emile Tayyip, Global Research, November 29, 2007
    “Last year, the United Nations named Israel as one of the main destinations in the world for trafficked women, according to the BBC.
    Israel has also been named as an offender in the annual U.S. State Department‘s Trafficking in Persons (Tip) report, which condemned the Jєωιѕн state for not fully complying with the “minimum standards” to eliminate sex trafficking…”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7487

    'Israel among worst human traffickers'
    Ruth Eglash, The Jerusalem Post, 04/25/20065
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=19974

    Haredi men beat woman who refused to move to back of bus
    By Jonathan Lis, Haaretz Correspondent, 10/21/2007
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/915215.html

    Jєωs and porn:
    "...Leading modern Jєωιѕн pornographers include Ron Braverman, John Bone, Wesley Emerson, Paul Fishbein, Herbert Feinberg AKA Mickey Fine, Hank Weinstein, Lenny Friedlander, Bobby Hollander, Rubin Gottesman, Fred Hirsch and his children Steve and Marci, Paul 'Norman' Apstein, Steve Orenstein, Jack Richmond (Legend CEO), Theodore Rothstein, Reuben and David Sturman, Ron Sullivan, Jerome Tanner, Armand Weston, Sam and Mitch Weston (Spinelli).

    “Jєωs accounted for most of the leading male performers of the 1970s and '80s. Hebrew studs include Buck Adams, Bobby Astyr, (Bobby Charles) R. Bolla (Robert Kerman), Jerry Butler (Paul Siderman), Seymore Butts (Adam Glasser), Roger Caine (Al Levitsky), David Christopher (Bernie Cohen), Steve Drake, Jesse Eastern, Jamie Gillis (Jamie Gurman), Ron Jeremy (Hyatt), Michael Knight, William Margold, Ashley Moore (Steve Tucker), David Morris, George Payne, Ed Powers (Mark Arnold aka Mark Krinski), Harry Reems (Herbert Streicher), Dave Ruby, Herschel Savage (Harvey Cowen), Carter Stevens (Mal Warub), Marc Stevens, Paul Thomas (Phil Tobias), Marc Wallice (Marc Goldberg), Randy West (Andy Abrams) and Jack Wrangler.
    Jєωιѕн female performers include Avalon, Jenny Baxter (Jenny Wexler), Busty Belle (Tracy Praeger), Chelsea Blake, Tiffany Blake, Bunny Bleu (Kim Warner), J.R. Carrington, Lee Carroll (Leslie Barris), Blair Castle/Brooke Fields (Allison Shandibal), Courtney/Natasha/Eden (Natasha Zimmerman), Daphne (Daphne Franks), Barbara Dare (Stacy Mitnick), April Diamond, Jeanna Fine, Alexis Gold, Terri Hall, Heather Hart, Nina Hartley (Hartman), C.J. Laing (Wendy Miller), Frankie Leigh (Cynthia Hope Geller), Gloria Leonard, Traci Lords (Nora Louise Kuzma), Amber Lynn, Tonisha Mills, Melissa Monet, Susan Nero, Scarlett O. (Catherine Goldberg), Tawny Pearl (Susan Pearlman), Nina Preta, Tracey Prince, Raylene, Janey Robbins (Robin Lieberman), Mila Shegol, Alexandra Silk, Susan Sloan, Annie Sprinkle (Ellen Steinberg), Karen Summer (Dana Alper), Cindy West, Zara Whites (Amy Kooiman) and Ona Zee (Ona Simms). (This citation, as well as all of the subsequent citations have been taken from the discussion of Jєωs and pornography at the lukeford.com website, all of which have been removed by the cite's new owners.)..."
    http://www.culturewars.com/2003/rabbidresner.html  

    As to ketubot, тαℓмυdic wedding contracts:

    We must conclude, therefore, that the writ in general and the marriage writ in particular are not original Jєωιѕн institutions. Originally they belong to Babylonia, mother of commerce and commercial deeds in antiquity. Jєωιѕн contact was necessary to introduce the writ in Judea. This contact came about in a political and commercial way during the last century of the first Commonwealth, and with it came the adoption of the ketubah, among other writs, by the Jєωs. (Rabbi Dr. Louis M. Epstein, The Jєωιѕн marriage contract: a study in the status of the woman in Jєωιѕн law, p.31)


    Offline Stephen Francis

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    Found sth in тαℓмυd
    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 09:29:54 AM »
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  • +JMJ+

    Just because something is in the тαℓмυd or Quran doesn't mean it MIGHT not be good advice. Of course, we are not bound by laws of 'uncleanness', except that of sin, for which we have a sacrifice of which they (the Jєωs and Muslims and other infidels) are not allowed to partake, according to Sacred Scripture.

    There is FAR too much familiarity among men and women, especially the unmarried. The constant influence, even among traditional Catholics, of TV, movies, secular books and secular magazines is partly to blame, but the sad fact is that people would rather read ABOUT saints, or have their images in their churches or homes, than be LIKE them.

    St. Fiacre was becoming well-known for his piety; upon being encouraged to be more 'public' with his ministry to others, he instead insisted that he be LEFT ALONE in his oratory in the woods, far from people. When people DID seek him out for his prayers or his counsel, it was at great personal cost to them, because he made himself difficult to find. Women were especially not allowed to come and see the saint; he would literally chase them away and then chastise himself for the weakness of his flesh, EVEN THOUGH NOTHING HAD HAPPENED. It was just too real and present a danger for him to allow even the SLIGHTEST near occasion of sin to remain.

    We are weak, yet strong-willed in our disobediences. We are proud, yet we venerate the Francises and the Gemma Galganis and the Thereses, paragons of humility.

    We demand every entertainment and buy on credit to enjoy the secular pleasures of this world, yet we venerate the Holy Cross of Him Who said He had nowhere to lay His Head.

    Dear friends in Christ, it is time for the Crisis in Holy Church to take a different turn... it is time for Her members to MORTIFY the deeds of the flesh, that we may live, as the Apostle told us. It is time for us not to SEE the troubles as a cross, but to ACTIVELY WELCOME our crosses and carry them with the joy of resignation to God's holy Will.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    Found sth in тαℓмυd
    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 12:12:28 PM »
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  •   One of the benefits of being a christian is being free of this "cleanness-uncleanness things". My step-mom's eyes got wide open when I told her that there is no difference between clean and unclean!

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    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 02:32:32 PM »
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  • Let us not be deceived; there is nothing "modest" in the тαℓмυd.