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Offline jman123

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Fortnight for freedom
« on: June 23, 2012, 02:31:49 PM »
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  • http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/rel...ht-for-freedom/

    Look at what the US Bishops are doing. What do you people here have to say about it?

    Personally I don't know.


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    Fortnight for freedom
    « Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 02:44:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
    http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/rel...ht-for-freedom/

    Look at what the US Bishops are doing. What do you people here have to say about it?

    Personally I don't know.


    Songbird and I had a brief exchange about it some time ago:

    Health insurance mandate rallies, crisis in church


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    « Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 11:21:21 PM »
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  • What do I see with this Rally?!  A lot of lies, propaganda.  Let me try to say what I see.  Religious Freedom is really tolerating other religions and that is not Catholic.  Vatican I defined it very well.  Then Vatican II redefined it, which no one can do.  I suggest you read enough of the Syllabus of Error of Vatican I, enough to get the idea.  Then try Dignitus Humane (sp).  Read the difference.  What we see at the rallies are all religious sects together and that in itself is False ecuмenism.

    The next thing, is that the Bishops claim that the Health Mandates are unconstitutional and goes against 1st amendment.  Well, I differ.  At Vatican II, we shook hands with Moscow/marxism.  My grandmother said, there goes the Church, and she was right!  Also we lost our catholic hospitals and institutions.  If you recall, some catholic schools were showing loss of money to stay open.  The Federal Gov't said, "Let us help you."  We knew if we took anything, we would lose our catholic identity and we would be just like the public schools, only as the Federal gov't said, we could keep our identity and still take the money. We kept only a name, but we had to comply with the directives of the Federal gov't.  

    The catholics owned hospitals and schools and universities which are no longer catholic, only in name.  Why" Because it was supposed to keep money generated. The point I am trying to make is this:  Catholic clergy said yes to the Federal gov't decades ago.  Because they did, they had to serve everyone and that meant contraceptives, sterilization and such were to be a service rendered by the so-called in name only was catholic hospitals.  Yes, the clergy did this.  They are masons and they know exactly the business they are in.  They support abortion in many so-called catholic charities and CCHD as we know.  

    Now we see these rallies and the catholic clergy are saying we want the Federal money(like it is a right) and we don't want the Federal gov't to mandate birth control and such.  What a lie!  They support it and give money to it in these so-called charities.

    Now what?  Do these people know what they are rallying about?  They say Religious Freedom.  They say the gov't is taking it away from them.  No they are not!  The Clergy masons did that when they said yes to the Federal Gov't.  At one time the true catholic church was self sufficient. She owned all her churches, schools and such.  She also took care of the poor and such.  Now it is maintained by the Gov't because the clergy gave it over, the masons.  So, the catholic institutions are no more catholic or owned.  They are in the hands of the gov't/masons.  

    The Health care Reform is already 20 years or more in motion.  We have no votes to stop it.  The Health Care REform is being promoted by all businesses and organizations.  The Tobacco tax pays for it and your charities! are also involved and St. Vincent De Paul and you name it!  To be involved makes money for these institutions.  For every $1 given to the Federal gov't the Feds give back $3.  This is called In-Kind money.  

    Stephen Enke did a cost anaylisis for Pres. L. Johnson and educated him to know what makes the biggest money next to war.  Enke said it was abortion, contraceptives, anything in that area.  The US put all their efforts in that direction.  The Catholic clergy got right on board.  Sex education in the US known as SIECUS and  Catholic Bishops were in SIECUS.  That was 1970 or such.  IT was Bishops taking Federal Grant money and incorporating sex ed. in the catholic schools while the State had laws prohibiting Sex ed.!  The Bishops stated in the Federal Grants: we will dodge the laws and will use these schools by name.  The Federal Grants are very specific with all details and they leave nothing out!  When any Bishop states that they are pro-life all you have to do is see the charities that they give to, like United Way, March of DImes and Planned Parenthood hides in Domestic Violence, Teen Maze teaches condoms.  Catholic newspapers tell of all the Federal Grants they get and so on.  Nice sweet stories  and tear jerkers!  I could go on and on.  I know these things for I worked under a Governor reading Federal Grants to see just who the enemy was.  I worked with other women and testified at our capitol for the Dept of Health Services for they had within their dept. asking for millions to cover for more pregnant women doctor visits and the money was actually for abortion. But, what we found was that it was the catholic dioceses that was the enemy!  We were so shocked and we cried for weeks.  One lady went to Prozac.  It was what broke my camels back to leave New Order and go Traditional and then educate my family more as to the crisis in the church and to educate myself more.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 11:41:37 PM »
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  • I forgot to add.  Why are the clergy encouraging the parishioners and  getting so much publicity?  Well, it will rake in money and if there is suing to take place, where is that money coming from?  And as they say, "The World is a Stage".  The Bishops work hard to keep an image of being pro-life, which they are not.  Last Year or 2 years back, the scandal over CCHD may very well have put a hamper on things.  But those people in the New Order of the church are also being brain-washed and agitated.  We are in a crisis where revolution is what the socialist/marxist like and I would be of the opinion that this is not a rally so much as it is leaning towards revolution.  Why should they?  If the True Catholic church would have said no to marxism decades ago where would we be today?  Minding our business saving souls with the sacraments and saying to the Federal Gov't, we don't need you.  But we were heavy from the Top down with Masons.  Also read Matthew 24 and then Chapter 12 of Daniel.  The eternal Sacrifice will come to and end.  We are almost there.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 11:28:43 AM »
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  • His Holiness Pope Leo XIII on what has always been the Christian response toward a totalitarian state.

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    Another liberty is widely advocated, namely, liberty of conscience. If by this is meant that everyone may, as he chooses, worship God or not, it is sufficiently refuted by the arguments already adduced. But it may also be taken to mean that every man in the State may follow the will of God and, from a consciousness of duty and free from every obstacle, obey His commands. This, indeed, is true liberty, a liberty worthy of the sons of God, which nobly maintains the dignity of man and is stronger than all violence or wrong - a liberty which the Church has always desired and held most dear.

    This is the kind of liberty the Apostles claimed for themselves with intrepid constancy, which the apologists of Christianity confirmed by their writings, and which the martyrs in vast numbers consecrated by their blood. And deservedly so; for this Christian liberty bears witness to the absolute and most just dominion of God over man, and to the chief and supreme duty of man toward God. It has nothing in common with a seditious and rebellious mind; and in no title derogates from obedience to public authority; for the right to command and to require obedience exists only so far as it is in accordance with the authority of God, and is within the measure that He has laid down. But when anything is commanded which is plainly at variance with the will of God, there is a wide departure from this divinely constituted order, and at the same time a direct conflict with divine authority; therefore, it is right not to obey.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.