Again, show me one quote where a laymen is allowed to determine heresy, officially. I’ll wait.
Still waiting.
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Show me one quote, from any theologian, or canon law, where a layman or a priest is allowed to determine ecclesiastical penalties, including excommunication but also lessor ones, as for censures, etc. I'll wait.
Pax, I know you can’t cite a single pre-V2 authority for your position. It is made-up nonsense.
Can you be more specific? My position is based on the above 2 questions. If laymen and simple priests aren't authorized to hand out Church penalties, then we wait for the Church officials to act. It's not complicated.Your distinction between calling someone a heretic officially vs unofficially is particularly amusing.
It's not amusing because me calling someone a heretic means nothing. It's an
informal use of the word, whereby we are calling attention to the error spoken by the person. The
formal use of the word, in canon law, is a legal determination through a church process, where the Church declares someone authoritatively as a heretic, with all the spiritual and temporal penalties that go along with it.
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Much like an accused man who hit his wife behind a garage, not knowing that 2 neighbors saw him do it. "He's guilty" they'll say. And they are correct.
But the neighbor's determination of the man's guilt means nothing until the court decides the matter. Even if the local laws say that a man who beats his wife is automatically sentenced to 2 years in jail, the neighbors have no authority to throw him in jail on their own. The court will decide the matter, and they may give him 2 years, or more, or less, when all the facts come to light.
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All of us Trads are like the neighbor who witnessed the crime. We saw it happen from a distance. It's plain as day. But...we are not the judge, jury or executioner. We must wait for God to act, through His Church, through the process laid out by canon law. This is how the Church is ordered. This is how She operates. It is a penance to wait for justice, but that's reality.