Leading Pro-Life Novus Ordo Priest Laments “The Francis Effect”


So began a talk given last week by Fr. Linus Clovis at a gathering of pro-life leaders in Rome. Fr. Clovis is a very well-credentialed, if not widely known, leader of the international pro-life movement.


Poche:

“‘Now it can be said…’ — this is written by…Melchior Cano, a famous theologian in the 16th century — ‘Now it can be said briefly that those who defend blindly and indiscriminately any judgment whatsoever of the Supreme Pontiff concerning every matter weaken the authority of the Apostolic See; they do not support it; they subvert it; they do not fortify it… . Peter has no need of our lies; he has no need of our adulation.’ In other words, we must be vigilant. We must be objective in our approach to the present crisis in the Church.”

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http://www.onepeterfive.com/leading-pro-life-priest-laments-the-francis-effect/


“When a bishop — a Catholic bishop — can applaud sin publicly, it causes us to tremble. But this is essentially the ‘Francis Effect.’ It’s disarming bishops and priests, especially after the Holy Father said, ‘Who am I to judge?’ I as a priest say Mass, preaching, and I make a judgment about a sin, one breaking the ten commandments, I would be condemned for judging. I would be accused of being ‘more Catholic than the pope’. There used to be a saying — rhetorical — ‘is the pope Catholic?’ That’s no longer funny.” (in reference to Dolan’s “Bravo!” comments regarding the coming out of football player Michael Sam.)

“Obedience is owed to the pope, but the pope owes obedience to the word and the apostolic tradition. We have to obey the pope, but the pope himself must obey the written word. He must obey the tradition. He must respond to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Obedience is owed to the pope, but it is the duty of the pope to give the character of possibility to this obedience. The pope has to facilitate our obeying him, by himself being obedient to the Word of God. Pope Felix III told us, ‘an error that is not resisted is approved. A truth that is not defended is suppressed.’ So we have an obligation to resist error, and we must do everything that we can to promote the truth.”

This high profile prolife novus ordo priest is waking up. Poche, please wake up as well.
God bless.

“When a bishop — a Catholic bishop — can applaud sin publicly, it causes us to tremble. But this is essentially the ‘Francis Effect.’ It’s disarming bishops and priests, especially after the Holy Father said, ‘Who am I to judge?’ I as a priest say Mass, preaching, and I make a judgment about a sin, one breaking the ten commandments, I would be condemned for judging. I would be accused of being ‘more Catholic than the pope’. There used to be a saying — rhetorical — ‘is the pope Catholic?’ That’s no longer funny.” (in reference to Dolan’s “Bravo!” comments regarding the coming out of football player Michael Sam.)

when Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" he was not condoning the sin of sodomy, rather he was encouraging a conversion away from the sin. Those poeple who take this out of its context are either ignorant of what the Catholic Church teaches or they are acting in bad will and bad faith wnth respect to the Catholic Church.

Matthew says,  "Christ founded a visible Church with a priesthood, with a hierarchy and Pope at the head."

Just wondering...

How is "poche" pronounced? I keep reading it as "posh", but maybe it's "po-kay" or something else.

Thanks, poche. I'll make sure I think the pronunciation correctly in future.

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“When a bishop — a Catholic bishop — can applaud sin publicly, it causes us to tremble. But this is essentially the ‘Francis Effect.’ It’s disarming bishops and priests, especially after the Holy Father said, ‘Who am I to judge?’ I as a priest say Mass, preaching, and I make a judgment about a sin, one breaking the ten commandments, I would be condemned for judging. I would be accused of being ‘more Catholic than the pope’. There used to be a saying — rhetorical — ‘is the pope Catholic?’ That’s no longer funny.” (in reference to Dolan’s “Bravo!” comments regarding the coming out of football player Michael Sam.)

when Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" he was not condoning the sin of sodomy, rather he was encouraging a conversion away from the sin. Those poeple who take this out of its context are either ignorant of what the Catholic Church teaches or they are acting in bad will and bad faith wnth respect to the Catholic Church.

Sorry, poche, but I don't recall any statement from Francis "encouraging a conversion away from the sin." Can you provide it?

Should I assume you're still looking for that statement from Francis, poche?

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“When a bishop — a Catholic bishop — can applaud sin publicly, it causes us to tremble. But this is essentially the ‘Francis Effect.’ It’s disarming bishops and priests, especially after the Holy Father said, ‘Who am I to judge?’ I as a priest say Mass, preaching, and I make a judgment about a sin, one breaking the ten commandments, I would be condemned for judging. I would be accused of being ‘more Catholic than the pope’. There used to be a saying — rhetorical — ‘is the pope Catholic?’ That’s no longer funny.” (in reference to Dolan’s “Bravo!” comments regarding the coming out of football player Michael Sam.)

when Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" he was not condoning the sin of sodomy, rather he was encouraging a conversion away from the sin. Those poeple who take this out of its context are either ignorant of what the Catholic Church teaches or they are acting in bad will and bad faith wnth respect to the Catholic Church.

Sorry, poche, but I don't recall any statement from Francis "encouraging a conversion away from the sin." Can you provide it?

Should I assume you're still looking for that statement from Francis, poche?

I'm going out of town tomorrow, poche, so I'd really like to see that statement. He's well known for his fidelity to Catholic teaching, of course, so the statement should be easy to find. I just don't have time to search for it, what with the packing for the trip and all.

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“When a bishop — a Catholic bishop — can applaud sin publicly, it causes us to tremble. But this is essentially the ‘Francis Effect.’ It’s disarming bishops and priests, especially after the Holy Father said, ‘Who am I to judge?’ I as a priest say Mass, preaching, and I make a judgment about a sin, one breaking the ten commandments, I would be condemned for judging. I would be accused of being ‘more Catholic than the pope’. There used to be a saying — rhetorical — ‘is the pope Catholic?’ That’s no longer funny.” (in reference to Dolan’s “Bravo!” comments regarding the coming out of football player Michael Sam.)

when Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" he was not condoning the sin of sodomy, rather he was encouraging a conversion away from the sin. Those poeple who take this out of its context are either ignorant of what the Catholic Church teaches or they are acting in bad will and bad faith wnth respect to the Catholic Church.

Sorry, poche, but I don't recall any statement from Francis "encouraging a conversion away from the sin." Can you provide it?

Should I assume you're still looking for that statement from Francis, poche?

 On Thursday Pope Francis demonstrated his keen interest in uniting sports with faith, telling members of Italy's Lazio club not to let training or competitions trump the spiritual essentials.

“Sometimes it happens that a guy or a girl, due to training and competitions, forgets about Mass (and) catechesis...this is not a good sign; it means we have lost the scale of values,” the Pope told members of Italian sports club Lazio during a May 7 audience.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-to-star-athletes-dont-forget-to-go-to-mass-21047/

Here he is telling athletes about the importance of going to mass and continuing their catechesis. When you are brought up in the Church you need to stay connected with the Church even if you are a sports star.