I have done a search, though not an exhaustive one, of Stephanos posts. They were not all about sedevacantism---I only found two on that subject. Most of his posts were not responded to unless I did. The two on sedevacantism were not responded to either, but were responded about by way of criticism. These criticisms I have PASTED below.
I'm sure Stephanos is welcome back, though why he would want to come back I don't know. Mike and John acted like jackasses, and you, Chant, owe Stephanos an apology for inferring that he did indeed cover the entire forum with sedevacantist arguments. He did not. One thread was in General Discussion (moved) and the other was in another sub forum. I am reminded of Gilbert Gea and Ancilla, who after giving me enough below the belt grief to make me sick, then took off for parts unknown leaving the forum high and dry. I don't see Mike and John as good contributors either. You seem to have a talent for backing the wrong horses.
Perhaps you can see some saving grace or positive good in the following posts. I can't.
John Stevens said:
Could we keep the sedevacantist rhetoric contained at least to the "Crisis in the Church" sub forum? It would be nice not to see it at all, but that is probably too much to ask.
Thank you.
Michael S. said:
Actually John's right. Making post after post of long drawn-out copy and pasting is laborious. It's grand-standing by the poster. I've seen people hi-jack threads, but this guy is hi-jacking forums. I didn't know that was possible.
Michael S. said:
Stephanos,
Nothing bothers me more than quoting a great theologian incorrectly. Rev. Berry's quotes are accurate, but not accurately displayed in context. Fr. Berry, a fine and orthodox theologian in this country, does not intend what you intend him to say and mean.
I own the book "The Church of Christ". He believes that the Catholic Church will always exist, that the Pope will always reign in the chair of Peter, and that the Church will be plainly visible with a validly reigning episcopacy.
I refuted John Lane, a known sedevacantist, with him using the same quotes. Fr. Berry was talking about a false separate church which would make it seem like it was the Catholic Church, not the leaders of the Catholic Church becoming this false church. I cannot believe how intellectually dishonest such an article is and how you are quoting him to say things which was never his intention. His book is EXACT opposite of what you imply, he believes that the Sees of the Catholic Church will exist visibly for all time and filled by valid bishops, not in state of anarchy.
John Stevens said:
Stephanos,
In the few days you have been here the majority of your posts are long copy & paste articles that no one is going to take the time to read through. A more fruitful discussion will be had if you posted one article as a new topic and then offered your comments on it and invited others to do so.
You've also managed to refer to JP II as an anti-pope and refer to a true anti-pope Pope Gregory XVII as someone Catholics should take seriously. It has been my experience that people such as yourself generally make message boards like this a very unpleasant place to be and invite like minded people to bombard it with similar posts such as yours. I hope this does not become the case and does not have to be if you turn down the rhetoric just a notch. There are other sedevacantists here that seem to coexist quite well by doing just that.
Michael S. said:
Have I called you a name? No, I haven't, that proves me you are not thinking logically and you can't argue rationally so you resort to name-calling. You said I was a legend in my own mind. That's name-calling so can't think logically. When confronted you resort to name calling because you think you are justified.
I've already been called a Novus Ordinarian and a legend in my own mind. Great job on being logical and consistent
I contended I quoted his book before when I had it with me and refuted such proof-texting of abusing his work. Yes, I have done so previously. Since you think that's what the words mean, why don't you find where he specifically states that Rome in Her hierarchy will apostatize. Here's a hint: it doesn't exist.
The words you quoted were for a parallel church which would seek to overthrow and look like the real Church. You get the book and look up how he sees the hierarchy in the Church always present. You are abusing the man's works, and any priest who does so should be in the confessional. If you didn't know this you cannot be held accountable. But now that you know you have an obligation to get the book and read it yourself. It doesn't support your assertions at all.
I don't have time to get a copy of the book and show you how ridiculous this proof-texting is by a wonderful priest who doesn't support the conclusions drawn. Do you even own the book in question or are you copy and pasting it from another website? Do you even know who Fr. Sylvester Berry was without looking him up?
Someone like yourself needs to do some more logical analysis. You should look in the mirror before name calling, because right now I think you're disrespectful at best, andI won't say what you are at worst, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Why don't you be a man and argue rationally, get his book, and stop stealing pages off the internet. You didn't source the page you took that work from, which is legally stealing if you weren't aware. Why don't we argue the principles and go from there. You get his book and we'll go from there ok Mr. IthinkImatougguybehindacomputerscreen who doesn't have a clue and is a mindless drone (see, that's name calling and I hate doing it so let's stop and be men, I only said that for effect so you understand that I hate name calling).
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