Author Topic: flies, honey, vinegar (Read 1532 times)

Graham · « **on:** March 20, 2014, 03:36:59 PM »

That old saying isn't always true. A humiliating episode helped an unhappy woman improve herself.

Quote from: Daily Mail

A woman has lost over 10 stone after a stranger threw a drink at her on a night out and told her she was disgusting.

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It was the turning point Steph needed to finally do something about her 225lb frame.

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'If I met him now I’d shake his hand because without him I never would have done anything about my size.'

Sigismund · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2014, 08:47:49 PM »

I am glad she lost weight, but the man's behavior was still deplorable.

Graham · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2014, 10:11:14 PM »

There is some lesson to be learned from this. There's something in the man's behaviour that is useful and can be salvaged.

poche · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2014, 04:57:41 AM »

Many times God uses evi to bring forth good. For example Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. However through his slavery, Joseph rose to be second only to Pharoah.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:33:10 AM »

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All hail the Daily Mail!

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Sigismund · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:28:01 PM »

Quote from: Graham

There is some lesson to be learned from this. There's something in the man's behaviour that is useful and can be salvaged.

No, there isn't. He behaved like school yard bully. No Catholic gentleman, no gentleman of any kind, would be such a boor.

Nadir · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:05:49 PM »

Just because some good came out of it does not justify an evil and dangerous action. There is no justification for sinful behaviour.

jen51 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:10:55 PM »

Quote from: Graham

There is some lesson to be learned from this. There's something in the man's behaviour that is useful and can be salvaged.

Could you expand on this? What about it do you find useful?

Maybe you're referring to a certain boldness in his character, one that could be admirable if he employed his boldness for Gods purposes? He's a jerk, obviously. The man doesn't care if he looks like One, either. Disregard for the opinions of man could be useful if he used it to glorify God, but he chooses it for evil instead so wouldn't it be rendered useless? This type of behavior is Godless in it's nature, so it's doomed from the getgo unless God chooses to make good of it, in which case the good would be solely an act of God, despite his bad behavior. I think... ?

Graham · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2014, 12:17:28 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: Graham
There is some lesson to be learned from this. There's something in the man's behaviour that is useful and can be salvaged.

No, there isn't. He behaved like school yard bully. No Catholic gentleman, no gentleman of any kind, would be such a boor.

Still, speaking as a mild-mannered fellow, I can't say that I've ever convinced anyone of anything as strongly as he convinced her to lose weight.

Hours of hours of discussion and setting a good example produce less effect than a sharp bit of humiliation. That impresses me.

It reminds me a bit of Jesus at the well:

Jesus saith to her: Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

The woman answered, and said: I have no husband. Jesus said to her: Thou hast said well, I have no husband:

For thou hast had five husbands: and he whom thou now hast, is not thy husband. This thou hast said truly.

In addition to demonstrating his knowledge, that remark was calculated to humiliate the Samaritan woman - hardly stereotypical "gentlemanly behaviour" - and it worked. I repeat, the old adage about catching more flies with honey is not always true.

Graham · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2014, 12:30:22 AM »

Quote from: jen51

Quote from: Graham
There is some lesson to be learned from this. There's something in the man's behaviour that is useful and can be salvaged.

Could you expand on this? What about it do you find useful?

Maybe you're referring to a certain boldness in his character, one that could be admirable if he employed his boldness for Gods purposes? He's a jerk, obviously. The man doesn't care if he looks like One, either. Disregard for the opinions of man could be useful if he used it to glorify God, but he chooses it for evil instead so wouldn't it be rendered useless? This type of behavior is Godless in it's nature, so it's doomed from the getgo unless God chooses to make good of it, in which case the good would be solely an act of God, despite his bad behavior. I think... ?

It goes beyond boldness and into causing humiliation as a salutary tactic.