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Offline NaomhAdhamhnan

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Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
« on: April 17, 2019, 05:26:39 PM »
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    • I've been reflecting upon how Our Lord had to order Lot and his family out of Sodom in order to save his soul. When a society becomes submerged in the unmentionable vice, perhaps we must learn from Lot and flee?

    Does anyone know of families that are fleeing East to Poland, Hungary and Russia?

    I was in Hungary recently and it was a marvellous experience. No Mohammedans or perverts were visible. I did not feel like I was on the endangered species list. I've fought hard for my country, but it seems my efforts have been in vain. Maybe we should flee as the Trojans fled Troy when she was taken?
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2019, 05:58:51 PM »
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    • I have thought of fleeing to Russua.  LGBT propaganda is banned by force of law.  gαy marriage and gαy pride parades are banned.  Church is resurgent there. Sspx is in Moscow and st Petersburg.  Pro family laws are being enacted. 
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2019, 06:10:28 PM »
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    • They're catching up with the rest of the West fast. Slowly getting browner, more secular, and more degenerate. Poland and Hungary are just what the rest of Europe was 20 years ago, in 20 years time they'll be just like what the rest of Europe is today. Russia has gotten more Christian in recent years, against worldwide trends, but it also has one of the highest abortion rates in the world and the Muslim population of the country is exploding. Catholics are also very few and far between there. 

    And that's ignoring the general difficulties of moving to those countries, languages wildly different to English, etc. 
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 07:27:10 PM »
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    Poland and Hungary are just what the rest of Europe was 20 years ago, in 20 years time they'll be just like what the rest of Europe is today. 
    I think it's the opposite.  Poland and Hungary are leading the slow but steady rise of religion in Europe.  Most countries won't wake up until social chaos is upon them, but Poland and Hungary have already been through communism/social chaos, so their revival is predictable.

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/01/eastern-europes-christian-reawakening

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/3149-blessed-karl-and-the-resurgence-of-christian-hungary

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-poland-election-church-idUKKCN0SL1B720151027
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 07:29:42 PM »
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    • Are we trying to find a place to hide?  Are we like St. Peter who was walking away from Rome and he meets Christ?
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 07:46:09 PM »
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    Are we trying to find a place to hide?  Are we like St. Peter who was walking away from Rome and he meets Christ?
    It is Christian prudence to flee persecution and to want to live in catholic lands.  St Peter was rebuked by Christ because his vocation was to preach the Faith.  Not all catholics have this vocation, nor did God want the early Christians to thrust themselves to the lions of their own will.  Persecution is to be avoided in prudence; and if it cannot, then it must be accepted as God's will.
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 07:55:12 PM »
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    • Absolutely no. 100% no, and it will stay that way.

    Moving to another country, especially one with no shared language or culture, is incredibly difficult and not worth your time.

    Even then, to add to this comment, the Irish Church shot themselves in the foot through the sex abuse scandal. You're not being persecuted, you live in a country where the local episcopacy is milquetoast, corrupt, no longer worth anyone's time and the Catholic influence of an entire nation died out in about 20 years because of it.
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 08:02:52 PM »
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    • Matka Boska Czestochowska, Krolowa Polska, modl sie dla nas wysztki!

    (O Mother of God of Czestochowska, Queen of Poland, pray for us all!)

    In Canada I was born and shall remain here. I am too ill even to contemplate a visit to the land of my heritage. I am thankful that my Polish Catholicism (pre JP2) helped preserve my faith.

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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 08:49:34 PM »
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    • NaomhAdhamhnan, pray to know the Will of God.  We, all of us, are supposed to be where we are supposed to be. and doing what He wants us doing while there.  With this peaceful foundation, you begin to build upon a rock - not sand. 
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 09:07:03 PM »
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    Moving to another country, especially one with no shared language or culture, is incredibly difficult and not worth your time. 
    I'm not saying anyone should move to Portugal or Hungary, but if someone wanted to, this isn't wrong.  I was replying to Songbird, who said that to want to move to Catholic country was akin to hiding from persecution.  This isn't so.
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2019, 01:44:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: NaomhAdhamhnan on April 17, 2019, 05:26:39 PM
    I've been reflecting upon how Our Lord had to order Lot and his family out of Sodom in order to save his soul. When a society becomes submerged in the unmentionable vice, perhaps we must learn from Lot and flee?

    Does anyone know of families that are fleeing East to Poland, Hungary and Russia?

    I was in Hungary recently and it was a marvellous experience. No Mohammedans or perverts were visible. I did not feel like I was on the endangered species list. I've fought hard for my country, but it seems my efforts have been in vain. Maybe we should flee as the Trojans fled Troy when she was taken?
    It depends on many factors. How old are you? What nationality? Do you have knowledge or a gift for language. Do you have a family to raise?
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    If Our Lord orders you to go, then go for it.
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    But if you are just wondering, consider well. Usually if you are visiting a foreign land you will only see the good side. DId you stay with natives and hear their point of view? E.g. Every visitor to Italy says how beautiful it is etc., but talk to the locals, and many will say that they would love to get out. .
    Life is hard. Can you do the hard yards that are inevitable in such a situation. AMericans (I am guessing you are one) are generally pampered compared to the rest of the world.
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    THen consider that these nations being part of Europe are threatened on many sides.
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    JUst a few thoughts.
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #11 on: April 18, 2019, 07:35:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 18, 2019, 01:44:26 AM
    It depends on many factors. How old are you? What nationality? Do you have knowledge or a gift for language. Do you have a family to raise?
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    If Our Lord orders you to go, then go for it.
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    But if you are just wondering, consider well. Usually if you are visiting a foreign land you will only see the good side. DId you stay with natives and hear their point of view? E.g. Every visitor to Italy says how beautiful it is etc., but talk to the locals, and many will say that they would love to get out. .
    Life is hard. Can you do the hard yards that are inevitable in such a situation. AMericans (I am guessing you are one) are generally pampered compared to the rest of the world.
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    THen consider that these nations being part of Europe are threatened on many sides.
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    JUst a few thoughts.
    Yes, the same is true of my parents' native Dominican Republic. People go there and think they'll be sipping drinks on the beach, but many of the locals see the corruption, the poverty, and they want to leave.

    OP is Irish.
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #12 on: April 18, 2019, 08:29:12 PM »
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    • Our Lady said, if Russia is not converted/consecrated, "her" error will spread.  Communism.  And who is behind communism?  Those who govern Russia, Jєωs.
    Then Vatican II council opens the gates to communism, to establish a peaceful coexistence with communism. " the damned Jєωs are the words of St. Augustine.

    The struggle against them is good and necessary.  Enemies are prayed for, for conversion.
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #13 on: April 18, 2019, 08:31:19 PM »
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    • So, if error is everywhere in the world, where will you go? You should go to where the sacraments are, the Pelican feeding her young.
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    Re: Fleeing to Poland, Hungary, or Russia
    « Reply #14 on: April 19, 2019, 04:15:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on April 18, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
    Our Lady said, if Russia is not converted/consecrated, "her" error will spread.  Communism.  And who is behind communism?  Those who govern Russia, Jєωs.
    Then Vatican II council opens the gates to communism, to establish a peaceful coexistence with communism. " the damned Jєωs are the words of St. Augustine.

    The struggle against them is good and necessary.  Enemies are prayed for, for conversion.
    I think Russia is far from being governed by the Jєωs these days. Matter of fact, the Jєωs are openly making war on against the Russians in every conceivable way and the U.S. is there biggest patsy with the greatest boot-licker the Jєωs ever had in the white house.
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