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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cognorati001 on July 22, 2011, 11:18:34 AM
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Quis and Vox -- the two owners of FE -- are divorcing. I feel sorry for their situation but believe it will be best for both of them. I hope Quis' sons maintain contact with their birth mother and are raised by both birth parents.
They've announced it on the forum but there was profanity in the thread (Quis also acknowledged the nature of their relationship). It is in the "Pig Roast" subforum.
Moderator: Who said anything about kids? Intentionally or unintentionally, this post could be the start of rumors that Vox and Quis have had children together -- which simply isn't true. You have to be careful how you say things, not just "what you meant to say".
I've probably "known" them longer than you, even though you'd be surprised to hear that I was once a member there.
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This is no one's business and should not be posted on Cathinfo. I don't know if they decided to post on FE's forum, but please remove this thread.
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I'm sorry that you were offended but they spoke openly of the nature of their relationship and others have made public comments -- they are public people. It's relevant for people to understand what the nature of their relationship was in light of them running a "traditional Catholic" forum.
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It still is not nice to kick someone when he is down. The man just came from the hospital.
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We people, including myself, at Fish Eaters haven't really helped them much for we have been engaging in rumor mongering.
You guys can show yourselves the better board you claim to be by not doing so and instead just praying for them.
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Cognorati001- I wasn't necessarily offended. I just don't think its the wisest thing to place a thread about that here, that's all my friend. No hard feelings.
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I think the fact that we've said here for years that a public scandal requires some public action to rectify suggests that if indeed such is happening, a mention here would not be inappropriate. But, the OP just opens this up for more rumors by adding information about kids, etc.
:pray: Continued prayers for Quis & Vox :pray:
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As well as praying for Quis and Vox, please pray for the Fish Eaters forum. We are all affected by this to some extent.
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Turns out I got banned over that little thread, LOL, but on this point, I agree that prayers are better than discussion.
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Your never ending knowledge of deacons will be missed :(
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But they were madly in love. I saw Quis' profile and it was so full of praise for Vox.
If you think they were in the wrong path or in mortal sin then, you must feel happy that they are rescued. Just as you feel happy when a prisoner is set free or a sick man gets healed. I think God loved them very much to save them in time, not everybody is that fortunate.
We need also to pray for people like Francis Mary Stone and any other person (including ourselves) who is enchained by sinful attachments or affections.
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But they were madly in love. I saw Quis' profile and it was so full of praise for Vox.
If you think they were in the wrong path or in mortal sin then, you must feel happy that they are rescued. Just as you feel happy when a prisoner is set free or a sick man gets healed. I think God loved them very much to save them in time, not everybody is that fortunate.
We need also to pray for people like Francis Mary Stone and any other person (including ourselves) who is enchained by sinful attachments or affections.
You're on the right track, Spouse, but you're missing one element --
We shouldn't kill the fatted calf just yet, because it doesn't look like anyone's repented of anything thus far.
But yes, looking at it from a spiritual perspective it's a good development -- even though the battle is far from over.
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Your never ending knowledge of deacons will be missed :(
Yes! But I can share my knowledge of deacons here.
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It still is not nice to kick someone when he is down. The man just came from the hospital.
I'm actually not trying to kick the person -- I think they've actually made a better choice, in light of things. I felt that people should know because one must alter how one speaks about their relationship, from this point forward.
Also, I've had a lot of life experiences and known all kinds of people -- one thing that is the same all over the world is that people will do anything to be loved and accepted. The two people involved are just human in that respect, so I'm not judging them but feel sad for their situation.
Re: Moderator
I didn't mean to imply that they had children together. I meant something different.
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Your never ending knowledge of deacons will be missed :(
Yes! But I can share my knowledge of deacons here.
Yeah, but I will get myself banned here.
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Something to keep in mind is that while the OP states this topic is fair game to be discussed since "Quis and Vox" announced it, in fact only one of them did so, and that person specifically stated they were doing so without the permission of of of the other.
I am not condoning any of their actions, but I am reminded of when Christ said "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."
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No offense to anyone involved, but I don't feel sorry when movie stars, presidents, or forum owners whine, "I don't get to have a priiiivate liiiiife....."
Hey, you just have to drown your sorrows in some of the money/power you received in exchange for giving up your life as a private, unknown, non-famous individual.
The Knife of Fame cuts both ways.
And yes, that even includes forum owners to a lesser degree. A forum owner enjoys certain perks as well as being scrutinized by the hundreds (or thousands) of members of the forum.
Now I'm not saying that Quis or Vox is whining, but a lot of people on FE and here are whining FOR them. But they (as well as myself) don't deserve any sympathy for having their personal life be front-page news. THEY chose to run the largest traditional Catholic forum; it goes with the territory.
The fact is, people WANT to know about the lives of famous people. That's why all those magazines in the checkout line at the grocery store sell. People are fascinated by the lives of those who make movies, play professional sports, run corporations, run countries -- and, to a much lesser degree, those who run traditional Catholic fora.
I think part of the fascination is because we common folk like to see that those on pedestals are just as human as ourselves. That's why human nature likes to devour scandals.
Matthew
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I can't believe this. Yes, their situation was public to some, not all of us. I came around afterward. Yes, Quis announced this publicly, but on his own forum. And yes, I realize a majority seems to think this is the best outcome for them spiritually.
BUT-- none of that changes the fact that running over to another forum the minute you have juicy gossip to announce from the rooftops is pretty dishonorable. It seems that enough people from here lurk over there so those who are interested will see it themselves discreetly.
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The fact is, people WANT to know about the lives of famous people. That's why all those magazines in the checkout line at the grocery store sell. People are fascinated by the lives of those who make movies, play professional sports, run corporations, run countries -- and, to a much lesser degree, those who run traditional Catholic fora.
I think part of the fascination is because we common folk like to see that those on pedestals are just as human as ourselves. That's why human nature likes to devour scandals.
This is a fact and that's why those magazines sell, but I dare say that the drive behind that is not a virtuous one. We want to hear these bad things about other people, things that make them "human", does that mean we have an excuse to indulge ourselves? Most of it is vain curiosity and should be squashed, whether the person is famous or the next door neighbor.
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I never really followed the dramas about their 'union', as I had already been kicked off FE. Whatever the situation was, is, or will be, I wish them both the best, will always be grateful for the time I spent at FE, and will pray that whatever follows works out as well and smoothly as possible, for Quis and Vox and the 'FE community' as a whole. These are dark days that will only get darker before the arrival of the dawn (which WILL come). May all of us hold fast and help each other whenever possible.
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No offense to anyone involved, but I don't feel sorry when movie stars, presidents, or forum owners whine, "I don't get to have a priiiivate liiiiife....."
Hey, you just have to drown your sorrows in some of the money/power you received in exchange for giving up your life as a private, unknown, non-famous individual.
The Knife of Fame cuts both ways.
And yes, that even includes forum owners to a lesser degree. A forum owner enjoys certain perks as well as being scrutinized by the hundreds (or thousands) of members of the forum.
Now I'm not saying that Quis or Vox is whining, but a lot of people on FE and here are whining FOR them. But they (as well as myself) don't deserve any sympathy for having their personal life be front-page news. THEY chose to run the largest traditional Catholic forum; it goes with the territory.
The fact is, people WANT to know about the lives of famous people. That's why all those magazines in the checkout line at the grocery store sell. People are fascinated by the lives of those who make movies, play professional sports, run corporations, run countries -- and, to a much lesser degree, those who run traditional Catholic fora.
I think part of the fascination is because we common folk like to see that those on pedestals are just as human as ourselves. That's why human nature likes to devour scandals.
Matthew
Sorry, but that post is a little insane. There's no reason why you can't run an Internet forum while keeping your private life private. It might be true of movie stars, but that doesn't really have anything to do with this.
I'm sure there are a large number of fishies who don't even know Quis and Vox's first names.
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Turns out I got banned over that little thread, LOL, but on this point, I agree that prayers are better than discussion.
You got banned???? Yikes Fisheaters has gone downhill. I guess we are migrating here to cathinfo from fisheaters. I have joined too from FE.
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Turns out I got banned over that little thread, LOL, but on this point, I agree that prayers are better than discussion.
It continues to bother me when I can't remember something. I'm pretty sure you were on FE before me, but what was your original screen name?
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Turns out I got banned over that little thread, LOL, but on this point, I agree that prayers are better than discussion.
It continues to bother me when I can't remember something. I'm pretty sure you were on FE before me, but what was your original screen name?
I think he was Archbishop 10k or something, if I remember rightly.
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Turns out I got banned over that little thread, LOL, but on this point, I agree that prayers are better than discussion.
It continues to bother me when I can't remember something. I'm pretty sure you were on FE before me, but what was your original screen name?
Aye. My original screen name was Archbishop_10K.
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That's it!
...and now I'll sleep better tonight : )
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Something to keep in mind is that while the OP states this topic is fair game to be discussed since "Quis and Vox" announced it, in fact only one of them did so, and that person specifically stated they were doing so without the permission of of of the other.
I am not condoning any of their actions, but I am reminded of when Christ said "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."
That is not the meaning of that phrase. You can only forgive sins of those who are repentant, otherwise you commit the mortal sin of indifference to sin, furthermore you may not forgive sins in anothers name(Unless you are a Priest then you can forgive in God's name under the condition that person is truly contrite). Also Scandal(Making others believe that something which is wrong is ok, is a mortal sin and cohabitating together constitutes such an offense, there are quite a few condemnations in Catholic Law over such things.
Just remember that the Neo-Caths are Protestant, they wouldn't know catholic doctrine it it smacked them in the face, and my experience with some of the Fisheaters people over hear leads me to believe there is rampant formal heresy over there. I am happy that those who are not heretics are coming over here, they will find a good Catholic Forum here where Heresy is not tolerated :)
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This is no one's business and should not be posted on Cathinfo. I don't know if they decided to post on FE's forum, but please remove this thread.
These are tragic matters and I wonder, do we really need to know this?
JMJ
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The main thing that is creepy about this thread, besides it's very existence, is the assumption that their divorce is a good development.
We have so little information about their lives, their histories. Just pieces here and there. How can we possibly know that their divorce is somehow leading them away from sin?
As Catholics, we aren't supposed to assume sin on anyone's part, and to assume it when we don't even know these people personally. In reality, 99.999999% of their lives is a mystery to us strangers.
Not to mention that it's rather nasty to tell someone in the midst of great suffering that it's a great thing they're suffering. Some people have no sense of tact.
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Turns out I got banned over that little thread, LOL, but on this point, I agree that prayers are better than discussion.
You got banned???? Yikes Fisheaters has gone downhill. I guess we are migrating here to cathinfo from fisheaters. I have joined too from FE.
!?!? Holy Moly! HK banned? Dude, you seemed so...neutral. What on earth would they ban you for? (PM me, if it's too private.)
Sheesh. I wonder if I'm banned now. Time to check.
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FWIW, I was just at FE...the forum has been effectively shut down. Let us pray that all involved find the peace of mind and heart they desire, regardless of where FE does or does not go from this point forth.
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!?!? Holy Moly! HK banned? Dude, you seemed so...neutral. What on earth would they ban you for? (PM me, if it's too private.)
Hail, Laramie! Quis was mad that I insinuated (half-jokingly) that he and MoreCoffee were the same person in a thread titled "Something is Fishy in the State of FishEaters". It turns out, though, that Laura and MoreCoffee, and the other dead roommate, and Laura's mom, were all the same person.
You can't check it now, though, because Quis got so mad he ѕυιcιdє-bombed the whole forum. Whatever. You can see his final note there.
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I was there this morning and it was running. Just went back and saw Quis' note. Makes me sick to my stomach. A few things I had feelings about but after struggling for a couple of months I decided I preferred to be supportive just in case. This is certainly not a victory for anyone and anyone feeling any satisfaction needs to make a serious examination of conscience. Very sad and disturbing.
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The main thing that is creepy about this thread, besides it's very existence, is the assumption that their divorce is a good development.
We have so little information about their lives, their histories. Just pieces here and there. How can we possibly know that their divorce is somehow leading them away from sin?
As Catholics, we aren't supposed to assume sin on anyone's part, and to assume it when we don't even know these people personally. In reality, 99.999999% of their lives is a mystery to us strangers.
Not to mention that it's rather nasty to tell someone in the midst of great suffering that it's a great thing they're suffering. Some people have no sense of tact.
We actually have much information we need. They've admitted they were civilly married (only). They were not married in the Church (Quis said this). He made light of the terms 'living insin' and 'concubinage' etc. He didn't seem to think the distinction was important. If true, whatever you think of him, it was objectively a sinful arrangement.
People commenting on it is natural, and as Matthew has pointed out, it's unrealistic for them to expect privacy around what is essentially a public declaration, a marriage, especially whilst running a *traditionalist Catholic* forum.
Why don't you see that?
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The main thing that is creepy about this thread, besides it's very existence, is the assumption that their divorce is a good development.
We have so little information about their lives, their histories. Just pieces here and there. How can we possibly know that their divorce is somehow leading them away from sin?
As Catholics, we aren't supposed to assume sin on anyone's part, and to assume it when we don't even know these people personally. In reality, 99.999999% of their lives is a mystery to us strangers.
Not to mention that it's rather nasty to tell someone in the midst of great suffering that it's a great thing they're suffering. Some people have no sense of tact.
We actually have much information we need. They've admitted they were civilly married (only). They were not married in the Church (Quis said this). He made light of the terms 'living insin' and 'concubinage' etc. He didn't seem to think the distinction was important. If true, whatever you think of him, it was objectively a sinful arrangement.
People commenting on it is natural, and as Matthew has pointed out, it's unrealistic for them to expect privacy around what is essentially a public declaration, a marriage, especially whilst running a *traditionalist Catholic* forum.
Why don't you see that?
I agree with this poster, them living in sin is public sin and scandal it is our duty to denounce them, it is uncharitable to them to allow them to believe it is ok to sin. To allow them to believe it is ok, is to want them to go to hell. It is also the sin of indifference to sin aswell as scandal.
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The main thing that is creepy about this thread, besides it's very existence, is the assumption that their divorce is a good development.
We have so little information about their lives, their histories. Just pieces here and there. How can we possibly know that their divorce is somehow leading them away from sin?
As Catholics, we aren't supposed to assume sin on anyone's part, and to assume it when we don't even know these people personally. In reality, 99.999999% of their lives is a mystery to us strangers.
Not to mention that it's rather nasty to tell someone in the midst of great suffering that it's a great thing they're suffering. Some people have no sense of tact.
We actually have much information we need. They've admitted they were civilly married (only). They were not married in the Church (Quis said this). He made light of the terms 'living insin' and 'concubinage' etc. He didn't seem to think the distinction was important. If true, whatever you think of him, it was objectively a sinful arrangement.
People commenting on it is natural, and as Matthew has pointed out, it's unrealistic for them to expect privacy around what is essentially a public declaration, a marriage, especially whilst running a *traditionalist Catholic* forum.
Why don't you see that?
I agree with this poster, them living in sin is public sin and scandal it is our duty to denounce them, it is uncharitable to them to allow them to believe it is ok to sin. To allow them to believe it is ok, is to want them to go to hell. It is also the sin of indifference to sin aswell as scandal.
Until Quis's post on FE I never knew about this. I guess I haven't been on FE long enough to have been there for that. I truly pray for Quis and Vox because I don't want either of them going to Hell. But it's a fact that Quis created a public scandal and rather than getting angry like he did, he should have been asking forgiveness for his scandal. However, since it's likely that Quis is suffering from mental illness and physical illness I am willing to overlook all this and just pray for him. As someone who suffers from mental illness myself, I can relate to what he might be going through. I am just glad to have this forum where when this all blows over we can get back to discussing the problems in the Church. Hopefully enough of the good people from FE will be here so we can go back to having sip sips. :cheers:
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The only 'charity' their arrangement was due is *if we did not know* they were civilly married or were granted annullment and married in the Church, but we do know this now.
If not before, certainly as a result of his final post, in his own words.
Charity would actually require apologies to those who were run out of town for denouncing them in the past, who were clearly correct in retrospect, and not believed.
Charity would not mean dancing on the grave of their misfortune, but to acknowledge the error of their 'lifestyle' and the obvious implications and effect that had to have on the site/forum and all the pain and suffering that has caused (for themselves, their kids no doubt, forum members now) is hardly uncharitable.
In fact my claim that Quis is mentally ill in my opinion should serve to inspire additional prayer for him, not schadenfreude.
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Darryl, agreed. I always gave them the benefit of the doubt even though the rumor had been around awhile. Benefit of the doubt was my charity.
Once it's out in the open however, I think it is worth addressing and is relevant.
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And the winner is Iuvenalis... Exactly what I was thinking.
There is nothing even remotely wrong with repeating a piece of information released to the worldwide web by one of the people involved, nor is there a "scandal" involved here at all. The scandal is their civil marriage -- both of them were excommunicated as soon as they did that. Actually, let me rephrase that. Their civil marriage was mortal sin, but the scandal came into play when they began running a Catholic forum despite no longer being in the Church, while ( presumably ) acting as if they were Catholic. Of course, I can't find the canon law that says this action is scandalous, but it's at least nauseating, let's put it that way. Kind of like FishEaters as a whole.
A divorce could not be more public. What are the complainers saying, that we should all know about the divorce but not say anything about it? These people run one of the most visible "Catholic" sites on the Internet! I personally feel no schadenfreude, since I never was on Fisheaters and therefore was never banned from there or held a grudge, etc.
But yes, it's good they're no longer together. That isn't the tragedy; their invalid marriage was the tragedy. They were FORNICATORS, people. Hopefully the ugliness of the word will make you see that it is not gloating over their "misfortune" to be glad they're breaking up, because it isn't misfortune at all. Or are you saying fornication is something positive?
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Iuvenalis said:
Charity would actually require apologies to those who were run out of town for denouncing them in the past, who were clearly correct in retrospect, and not believed.
Charity would not mean dancing on the grave of their misfortune, but to acknowledge the error of their 'lifestyle' and the obvious implications and effect that had to have on the site/forum and all the pain and suffering that has caused (for themselves, their kids no doubt, forum members now) is hardly uncharitable.
Exactly, Iuvanalis... And hopefully the day will come when SSPX people show the same charity, and apologize for calling us BLEEPS and treating us like nutters, kicking us out of seminaries and off websites until there is almost nowhere we can speak, etc., while defending gross heretical actions of anti-Popes.
Charity appears to cut two ways, doesn't it? You put it very well. Pseudo-charity that defends error always seems to turn back on itself and become intolerance for the truth.