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Fish Eaters Forum: Crypto-Conciliarist?
« on: February 21, 2012, 02:03:51 PM »
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  • Thesis:

    "The Fish Eaters Forum is run by - in concert with her allies on the board - a Crypto-Conciliarist."

    Discuss.
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    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 02:17:28 PM »
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  • Thesis: "Jitpring only ever comes back to CathInfo to discuss Fish Eaters; it would be nice if he could join in regular discussion again- we miss that."

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    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 02:29:10 PM »
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    Thesis: "Jitpring only ever comes back to CathInfo to discuss Fish Eaters; it would be nice if he could join in regular discussion again- we miss that."

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    hahah... Good point.

    Banned again there.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2012, 02:47:44 PM »
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  • I don't know her beliefs. Since her site is quite popular, she's in equal parts trying and being forced to move it towards an apologetic role, which entails the presentation of a more politically correct version of tradition. This is being accomplished through frequent reminders, echoed by her allies and assorted others, to be more "charitable" and accepting and to watch the language, along with enforcements against people like Alaric and Vetus. The space cleared by these actions has been filled with more frankly modern points of view. To be fair, though, a loudmouthed anti-sedevecantist was but lately banned for his habit of baiting. In general I think it’s a major problem that women have such moral authority on FE, and this will tend to drive the consensus leftward.



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    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 03:00:35 PM »
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  • Hell hath no fury like an FE poster banned.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 03:06:58 PM »
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    I don't know her beliefs. Since her site is quite popular, she's in equal parts trying and being forced to move it towards an apologetic role, which entails the presentation of a more politically correct version of tradition. This is being accomplished through frequent reminders, echoed by her allies and assorted others, to be more "charitable" and accepting and to watch the language, along with enforcements against people like Alaric and Vetus. The space cleared by these actions has been filled with more frankly modern points of view. To be fair, though, a loudmouthed anti-sedevecantist was but lately banned for his habit of baiting. In general I think it’s a major problem that women have such moral authority on FE, and this will tend to drive the consensus leftward.




    Excellent points. It's very interesting how Neos are basically given free rein there, along with flat-out Modernists. But come close to sedevacantism by using terminology such as "Conciliar Church" and the whip gets cracked.

    Your point about the authority of women there is especially interesting. This dominance of women is certainly very Conciliarist.

    As for my latest banning, here's the sham reason given:

    "Out of concern for your soul, I don't want you exposed to any demonic influences you subjectivelly [sic] feel coming from FE."

    This refers to my suggestion in a thread that DK left the board because he realized that it was part of the demonic influence he had spoken of in his life.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2012, 03:39:05 PM »
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  • I've never posted at FE so I can't say much about the place.

    Where have you been, jitpring? You weren't here when the fake vox posted here...

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    « Reply #7 on: February 21, 2012, 04:38:34 PM »
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    I've never posted at FE so I can't say much about the place.

    Where have you been, jitpring? You weren't here when the fake vox posted here...


    A fake Vox was here? hmmm....
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    « Reply #8 on: February 21, 2012, 08:12:26 PM »
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    But come close to sedevacantism by using terminology such as "Conciliar Church" and the whip gets cracked.


    That's funny since the term came from the Vatican itself under Paul VI. I wonder if Paul VI would be banned on FE, if he were alive today!? In most matters regarding morality, he'd probably be more orthodox than most posters on the board.

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    "Out of concern for your soul, I don't want you exposed to any demonic influences you subjectivelly [sic] feel coming from FE."


    Translation: "I don't like you. I ban everyone I don't like. Goodbye."

    If that's what they want to do, fine. However, if that's the case, don't post 7,000 rules for the forum. Even though CAF is a joke, they at least try to point to some sort of rule you broke before they give you the boot. Plus they give you warnings and minor infractions and a detailed explanation and you can work with the mod if it was a misunderstanding. CAF is actually unbelievably more fair. That says a lot.

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    This refers to my suggestion in a thread that DK left the board because he realized that it was part of the demonic influence he had spoken of in his life.


    It was just a matter of time. I'm glad that he is straightening out his life. Just reading some of the threads linked to FE from here remind me of the madness of the place from time to time. A lot of the threads consist of petty personal vendettas. It's like a Neo-Trad High School with a mouthy principal who expels students on whims.   :dwarf:

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    « Reply #9 on: February 21, 2012, 08:23:33 PM »
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    1) Translation: "I don't like you. I ban everyone I don't like. Goodbye."

    2) It's like a Neo-Trad High School with a mouthy principal who expels students on whims.   :dwarf:


    1) Exactly my conclusion. This is part of the muliebrity of that forum.

    2) Yes! Brilliant!
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    « Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 08:37:13 PM »
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  • I think there are a lot of parallels between Fisheaters/neo-Trads and certain Neo-Conservative groups like Opus Dei (at least those with a K-street element to them) and the Christopher West TOBers; that is all of these groups seem to think that we can outsmart the modern world by using its own tactics i.e. by being more worldly than the world, they think the Catholic message will win. Case in point, West believes that we can out-sex the sɛҳuąƖ ʀɛʋօʟutιօn and make it truly Catholic by trying to complete it. Fisheaters and Vox specifically does the same thing only with things like feminism; that is we can complete feminism and make it better by adding a few Catholic sprinkles and Camille Paglia books. Such views I might add are consistent with the idea of having the Church open up to the world a la Vatican II.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 09:52:52 PM »
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  • It's certainly crypto-*something*

    I was never treated unfairly by Vox or Quis, but over time some things came to my attention, very slowly, that made me wonder how such a site was fostering or advancing 'traditionalism'

    I don't mean to play dirty, but the confusing marital situation made me worry traditional Catholicism was somehow being 'compartmentalized' by the site owners. That is, smells and bells and aves, but a confusing marital situation to say the least. They also adamantly refused to address it as 'none of anyone's business' which was squirelly to say the least.

    It ended up melting down as anyone saw who was there, which I suppose was to be expected.

    There were/are some kind, edifying people there, but also a lot of strange 'compartmentalized' trads, a love of the traditional aesthetics, but definitely an embrace of the modern world.

    Caraffa said it better than I could, it was a thought process I hadn't been able to articulate aloud, but definitely felt the tug of internally.

    I was especially concerned at the implicit and explicit feminism of the forum. It used to be quite a bit worse, and a gaggle of harpies 'followed' Vox around and shouted down anyone who dared point out the errors or feminism, or at least the inconsistencies with Catholicism.

    It got less severe, either because of Vox's protracted non-participation whilst Quis seemed to run the forum (as far as I could tell) while he absolutely insisted it was 'her' site (he was, to be fair, quite consistent about that point, and that was honorable since she did indeed start the place) or perhaps the aforementioned harpies flagged in their own participation, or both.

    Anyway, the crypto-feminism bothered me the most. Feminism is a proxy for Godless atheism, proudly defying the natural order, and has served to advance many evils of the last and present centuries, namely abortion, sɛҳuąƖ immorality and humanism.

     That anyone would be so obtuse about this as to adhere to feminism in any form makes me question their formation, and worse yet that anyone would try to chimaerize it with Catholicism seems of a deformed faith or even diabolical.

    I can't see how any labels or qualifiers attached to feminism can change its fundamental errors or how one could not see such.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 03:56:11 PM »
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    I don't know her beliefs. Since her site is quite popular, she's in equal parts trying and being forced to move it towards an apologetic role, which entails the presentation of a more politically correct version of tradition. This is being accomplished through frequent reminders, echoed by her allies and assorted others, to be more "charitable" and accepting and to watch the language, along with enforcements against people like Alaric and Vetus. The space cleared by these actions has been filled with more frankly modern points of view. To be fair, though, a loudmouthed anti-sedevecantist was but lately banned for his habit of baiting. In general I think it’s a major problem that women have such moral authority on FE, and this will tend to drive the consensus leftward.




    Excellent points. It's very interesting how Neos are basically given free rein there, along with flat-out Modernists. But come close to sedevacantism by using terminology such as "Conciliar Church" and the whip gets cracked.

    Your point about the authority of women there is especially interesting. This dominance of women is certainly very Conciliarist.

    As for my latest banning, here's the sham reason given:

    "Out of concern for your soul, I don't want you exposed to any demonic influences you subjectivelly [sic] feel coming from FE."

    This refers to my suggestion in a thread that DK left the board because he realized that it was part of the demonic influence he had spoken of in his life.

    All that you said here is true.

    However, I was given no reason for my sudden departure but only learned later that I had somehow "offended" another poster with some kind of "ethnic" slur in some way. Although this had taken place months before my abrupt banishment with no warning whatsoever or a chance to explain my position in anyway or reason  for what I said. Just this poster who was rabidly pro-zionist comes on and  whines to Vox about how people like myself make him "struggle" with his Catholicism and she buys into this sob story and drops me like a bad habit without hesitation.

    FE was at one time a good fit for someone like myself but I've seen it morph into something totally foreign from what it was when I began posting there several years ago, especially with the crazy marital or adulterous thing going on between Vox and Quis and then the whole "Laura" debacle which was so outlandish that I couldn't actually believe was really going on, from that point on I started to doubt any information from any of the so called moderators from that board at all.

    What really kills me is with all the lies, deception and adultery going on over there they all of the sudden come off as some kind of moral or "charitable" crusaders rubbing out meanies or orthodox Catholics like myself and Vetus.

    Good riddance I say. Let the harpies and feminazis over there have there little Shangri La where they can silence any kind of opposition or critical thought on a whim, only castrated males and neo-modernists need apply.

    BTW, I hope DK is doing well, hopefully he'll come on board over here someday.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 05:19:12 PM »
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  • Alaric,

    Can you give us the "Laura" debacle, condensed version?

    Thanks.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 06:51:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    Alaric,

    Can you give us the "Laura" debacle, condensed version?

    Thanks.
    Well, from what I remember when Quis was micro-managing things over there, a female poster who went by the name "Laura" I believe began posting on various threads. I didn't interact too much with her but she created a little drama here and there and supposedly had this male "friend" or brother or some kind of casual aquaintenece (I forget his name) whom I believe was some kind of closet ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or something. Anyway, to make a long story short, this "Laura" came out deceased suddenly but no one could find out anything about the truth of any of it, meanwhile I believe it was HK called out the whole thing might have been a farce from the get go ( which turned out to be the truth) which incurred the wrath of Quis who it seems was quite attached to this woman, so when the whole ruse was exposed he flipped out, banned HK, dumped Vox for this "Laura" and bailed on the forum not before writing a nasty letter to the whole forum  and goes on a banning binge before he exited in to oblivion permanently.

    The forum shuts down temporarily and Vox resurfaces from God knows where and gets the ball rolling again kind of half-heartedly explains the whole mess and lifts all the bans that Quis imposed and allows everyone to start anew and the forum is back running somewhat normal, except the incessant need for funds constantly (Which I admit, I'm ignorant how much a form would cost) and advertises the need for money consistently to keep things going until she has a certain core group committed to contributing monthly with certain "advantages" for being paid members. (I'm sure none of these members of the club will ever get the ban button pushed on them)

    Anyway, after all this "Laura" drama and Quis's meltdown I never knew what or who to believe after that, I mean, I couldn't actually believe all that craziness was going on, especially on a "trad" Catholic forum, it changed my whole perspective on just what is going on over there. And Vox changed too, she's becoming more and more implicitly liberal in her approach and less and less tolerant of conservative/traditional thought.

    In my opinion at least.


     

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