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Offline Your Friend Colin

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First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
« on: April 07, 2019, 10:12:39 PM »
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  • Hello everyone. This is my first post.

    I began attending Society Masses Christmas 2018.

    I spoke with a priest after Mass with questions about how I could get out of a difficult situation I'm in concerning Novus Ordo Sacraments (I took on the responsibility of setting up for Latin Mass and scheduling servers at a Novus Ordo Parish. After researching the current situation more, i.e. New Rite of Consecration/Ordination, I realized I need to cut ties with Conciliar sacraments).

    I asked the priest how I could go about getting out of this situation. He gave me advice I appreciated.

    I then asked him if I should stay away from FSSP and Novus Ordo priests. Essentially, he said no, I don't need to avoid them.

    Also, I asked if I could pray with people who attend the Novus Ordo and accept Vatican II (willfully or out of ignorance) and he said "Yes, they are Catholic"

    I left and asked myself, "If FSSP and Novus Ordo priests are on par with the Society, why am I even attending Society Masses? Wasn't the Archbishop's intention to safeguard and preserve the priesthood so that we would have no scruples about their validity? What would the Archbishop say about people who accept Vatican II? Would he call them Catholic?"

    After scouring CathInfo for awhile, I see what you guys are saying concerning the modernization of the SSPX.

    Unfortunately, I have no other options at the moment. I could go to Servants of the Holy Family in Colorado Springs but that's about 2 hours 30 minutes away from me.

    Thought?


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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #1 on: April 07, 2019, 10:23:48 PM »
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  • Hello everyone. This is my first post.

    I began attending Society Masses Christmas 2018.

    I spoke with a priest after Mass with questions about how I could get out of a difficult situation I'm in concerning Novus Ordo Sacraments (I took on the responsibility of setting up for Latin Mass and scheduling servers at a Novus Ordo Parish. After researching the current situation more, i.e. New Rite of Consecration/Ordination, I realized I need to cut ties with Conciliar sacraments).

    I asked the priest how I could go about getting out of this situation. He gave me advice I appreciated.

    I then asked him if I should stay away from FSSP and Novus Ordo priests. Essentially, he said no, I don't need to avoid them.

    Also, I asked if I could pray with people who attend the Novus Ordo and accept Vatican II (willfully or out of ignorance) and he said "Yes, they are Catholic"

    I left and asked myself, "If FSSP and Novus Ordo priests are on par with the Society, why am I even attending Society Masses? Wasn't the Archbishop's intention to safeguard and preserve the priesthood so that we would have no scruples about their validity? What would the Archbishop say about people who accept Vatican II? Would he call them Catholic?"

    After scouring CathInfo for awhile, I see what you guys are saying concerning the modernization of the SSPX.

    Unfortunately, I have no other options at the moment. I could go to Servants of the Holy Family in Colorado Springs but that's about 2 hours 30 minutes away from me.

    Thought?

    Sr. Mary Elizabeth: "I realized that I would not be able to protect the children’s Faith any more from this subtle poisoning of their Faith and the slow subversion of their trust..."


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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #2 on: April 07, 2019, 10:28:36 PM »
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  • Sr. Mary Elizabeth: "I realized that I would not be able to protect the children’s Faith any more from this subtle poisoning of their Faith and the slow subversion of their trust..."
    I read that letter she wrote. Disheartening.
    Any suggestions on my course of action in order to keep my Catholic Faith?
    I'm 22 years old. I only recently received the Faith and I'm trying to figure this out on my own.
    Input from people with more experience would be great.

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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #3 on: April 07, 2019, 10:39:18 PM »
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  • I would say that if you’re attending the sspx now, then there’s no reason to stop, since you have no other options.  (This assumes that the sspx chapel you attend isn’t promoting heresy from the pulpit or having visiting novus ordo priests say mass.  Most sspx chapels aren’t that bad...yet).  So, short term stay where you are (since they offer valid sacraments and it’s better than staying at home).  Short term means for the next 6 months to a year.  In other words, be prudent, don’t make any rash decisions and pray about the situation.  

    Don’t go to the FSSP, any other indult or the novus ordo.  If those are your only options, then stay at home.  No if’s ands or buts. 

    Long term (ie within the next year) - pray, pray, pray to God for guidance on how to change your situation.  Maybe you move? Maybe God gives you a better job so you can afford driving 2.5 hrs to the other mass?  Maybe you can move near Colorado Springs but work remotely for your current company?  I don’t know but He’ll answer your prayer, without a doubt, because the sspx isn’t a long term solution for anyone who is concerned about their salvation.  

    I’ll pray for you!  God bless.  

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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #4 on: April 07, 2019, 10:47:00 PM »
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  • I would say that if you’re attending the sspx now, then there’s no reason to stop, since you have no other options.  (This assumes that the sspx chapel you attend isn’t promoting heresy from the pulpit or having visiting novus ordo priests say mass.  Most sspx chapels aren’t that bad...yet).  So, short term stay where you are (since they offer valid sacraments and it’s better than staying at home).  Short term means for the next 6 months to a year.  In other words, be prudent, don’t make any rash decisions and pray about the situation.  

    Don’t go to the FSSP, any other indult or the novus ordo.  If those are your only options, then stay at home.  No if’s ands or buts.

    Long term (ie within the next year) - pray, pray, pray to God for guidance on how to change your situation.  Maybe you move? Maybe God gives you a better job so you can afford driving 2.5 hrs to the other mass?  Maybe you can move near Colorado Springs but work remotely for your current company?  I don’t know but He’ll answer your prayer, without a doubt, because the sspx isn’t a long term solution for anyone who is concerned about their salvation.  

    I’ll pray for you!  God bless.  
    Hey Pax,
    Thanks for the reply.
    I am already a very scrupulous man, so I really don't want to have to make a conditional adoration (If that's You, Jesus) every time I walk into a church or attend Mass. I certainly want to avoid New Rite anything. 
    I am student attending university. I will be graduating in December 2019 and looking for employment closer to that time. Until then, I am going to have to attend SSPX and slowly remove myself from affiliating with the newDiocese.
    Thank you for your prayers, Pax. Much appreciated!


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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #5 on: April 07, 2019, 10:57:29 PM »
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    I am student attending university. I will be graduating in December 2019 and looking for employment closer to that time.
    That's a perfect time line, then.  You have plenty of time to make a rational decision.  Keep praying, put God first in your life, and everything will work out.  

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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #6 on: April 07, 2019, 11:33:15 PM »
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  • Both Bishop Williamson and Fr. Pfeiffer have said that in this situation it is ok to got to the Novus Ordo.  
    I saw the video where Bishop Williamson said that. Not sure what to make of it honestly.
    From what I've read on here, Fr. Pfeiffer seems to have a couple screws loose. 
    In good conscience, I can not attend the Novus Ordo.

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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #7 on: April 08, 2019, 12:05:02 AM »
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  • Don't listen to Poche.  He's a novus ordo apologist whose mind is muddled by modernism.


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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #8 on: April 08, 2019, 05:39:49 AM »
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  • Hi Colin, lovely to read of a post Vatican II young man who embraced the grace given to you by God to be a better Catholic.

    To begin with, a little wisdom of experience. When it comes to asking advice, or reaching conclusions as to who or what is valid these days, only God knows this. As I or others are not God, I do not make such decisions, rather I take it that they are valid until heaven lets us know otherwise. My advice then is to do as your SSPX priest advised you, advice you posted above, do not judge any traditional or NO Mass or priest or sacrament as invalid. I have always held that if the intention is there God will not reject it.

    That said, there are two aspects of one's choice that must be considered. What one might hear at any particular Mass or church, from the pulpit that is, and what those around you might be saying. That is where the danger lies. So first of all Colin learn to know your Catholicism. Given you are so young you probably did not get the catechesis necessary to know all aspects of the Faith and could be led astray in so many ways. The second most important thing you need is to be among like minded traditional Catholics who do know their faith.

    Now in my experience I have heard Modernism in both the NO and indeed at the Indult once or twice. Their Masses may be valid but their messages may not always be Catholic. There may be occassions where one might attend a NO, for a funeral for example, that is OK with me. So, as it seems to be in your case if you have a SSPX chapel near enough to you, that is the safest bet for all your needs these days. Make friends at these Masses, and together you will keep your faith traditional. I have heard of some cases where things are not 100% in some SSPX chapels, but thank God not in mine. Individualism can cause this, but I have not met one yet. But more than that, for as in your case some day you may meet a lovely Catholic girl you would like to marry. I have see such couples meet, marry, and are still attending the same SSPX chapel with their children, God keeping them very happy.

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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #9 on: April 08, 2019, 05:44:25 AM »
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  • Over the years I've heard many SSPX priests say that it's ok to attend indults and even the NO service, even +Williamson said it, yet the ones who give that advice would presumably die a martyrs death before they would say it themselves. It really makes no sense at all, it's akin to the way they water down the dogma of no salvation outside the Church.

    It is a sad situation but it is best to not ask some questions to SSPX priests - use them for the Mass and sacraments, that's what they're good for. Their sermons over all are still pretty good, some better than others depending on the priest, at least I personally have never heard error or heresy from the pulpit, even heard the NO condemned from the pulpit as recently as a few months ago. I could be wrong, but I bet if I asked the priest the same question as the OP, I'd get the same answer. Just use them for the Mass and the sacraments while you can.  
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #10 on: April 08, 2019, 07:55:37 AM »
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  • Poche, the Novus ordo equals acceptance of mortal sin.  This is why we are having problems in our country because novus ordo is preaching a different gospel not of Jesus. 
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #11 on: April 08, 2019, 08:05:54 AM »
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  • The novus ordo is accepting the silver from the government to help relocate longtime enemies of Christians in the middle of Christian American towns.  The hierarchy within dioceses live like kings while the laity are slaves.  Then they defend the border situation with liberalism saying to help thy neighbor when in reality these people are sloths looking to steal from the American people.   The collect welfare and free medical.   They use food stamps to stock their stores.    And the hierarchy won’t even help their own laity or clergy.

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: First Experience Speaking with a Society Priest
    « Reply #12 on: April 08, 2019, 08:11:29 AM »
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  • Both Bishop Williamson and Fr. Pfeiffer have said that in this situation it is ok to got to the Novus Ordo.  

    That's not what he said.  He wasn't condoning attendance at the Novus Ordo, but merely stating that, subjectively speaking, one could receive some graces from attending it.  One could probably say the same thing about an Orthodox Liturgy without condoning attendance at it.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 08, 2019, 08:12:05 AM »
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  • The novus ordo is the counter church that archbishop Fulton Sheens warns us about.  
     
    May God bless you and keep you

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  • The novus ordo is the counter church that archbishop Fulton Sheens warns us about.  
     

    ... and then later fully supported.