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Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2013, 11:40:56 AM »
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  • It would be very easy to fake an apparition. You just get highly trained actors, probably secret service agents. My rosary beads are from medjugorge but I ignore the writing on them. Its a cult now, business sensed an opportunity to capitalize, and pre-empted a decision by the church.


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    Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
    « Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 01:52:08 PM »
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  • Michael Brown (the guy who mainly runs Spirit Daily) must be very frustrated by this.

    How fun.
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    Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
    « Reply #3 on: November 06, 2013, 01:56:53 PM »
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  • Even Sister Lucy #2 was asked about Medjugorje, and she replied that
    the Mother of God was not appearing there.

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    Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
    « Reply #4 on: November 06, 2013, 02:18:25 PM »
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  • I thought its condemnation was a "done deal" long ago:

    Medjugorje: Warned Against by the Hierarchy

    It is the duty of the local bishop of the diocese in which supposed supernatural events take place to study and confirm or deny the legitimacy of the claims being made. The bishop in the diocese to which Medjugorje belongs, Msgr. Zanic of Mostar, remitted this duty by forming a diocesan commission to do an impartial inquiry into the events that had been taking place since 1981. After a few years of thorough and intense investigative study, which the Church always exercises to determine an unmistakable decision in these matters, the Bishop issued a statement in 1986 giving the results of the study. In the statement, Msgr. Zanic proclaimed that these apparitions are not made by the most Holy Virgin Mary and he forbade the pilgrimages set up from the beginning without ecclesiastical approval by the pastor of Mostar.

    In a resulting interview given by Fr. Deleclos of the Libre Belgique, Msgr. Zanic was asked: "Are you, as a matter of principle, against apparitions?" The Bishop replied: "Quite the contrary! I myself have been eight times to Lourdes and I have organized pilgrimages. I have done much for the devotion to the Most Holy Virgin. I was even in Banneux, in Beauraign (Belgium), and Syracuse (Italy), three places where the apparitions of Mary had been stated as authentic."
    "However, you are not convinced of this in Medjugorje?" Reply: "I should really be glad to have a Lourdes in my diocese. It would be something grandiose. But I cannot before God, before my conscience and before the Church proclaim these apparitions are authentic and supernatural. I am certainly a sinner and unworthy to be a bishop, yet I believe it would be the worst of all the sins of my life to let this falseness pass for truth, knowing that it is a lie." Despite these words of the Bishop, which the faithful should accept as a decision from God, people continued to flock to Medjugorje and the priest did not desist from organizing pilgrimages as ordered.
    Another committee on the national level, composed of 20 bishops, was organized to decide on the "apparitions". This committee also spent several years in patiently studying the matter and finally in November 1990 issued a statement which concluded that there is no proof that Marian apparitions have occurred at Medjugorje. This statement was approved nearly unanimously, with 19 bishops in favor and one abstaining. A Vatican doctrinal official said the bishops' statement against defining the apparitions as supernatural should be accepted by the faithful around the world. (See CWNews report below for recent statements by the Church's hierarchy).

    http://www.olrl.org/prophecy/medjugorje.shtml


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    Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
    « Reply #5 on: November 06, 2013, 05:20:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: LoverOfTradition
    Deo Gratias!

    http://spiritdaily.com/medjconfusion.htm



    If I were you I'd take absolutely no consolation in any of this.  

    What that website portrays, at best, is an imitation of a hoax.

    All it does is get attention to something that needs no attention.  

    The letter that is imaged there has several problems in it, like
    most all of such letters to come from the Nunciature's office.

    For example, they misspell Medjugorje three times in the official
    letter, not getting it correct even once, and never spelling it the
    same twice!  

    Medjorgurje
    Medjogurge
    Medjogurje


    One could go so far as to say this means they are deliberately
    NOT referring to Medjugorje, or, that they don't know what  they
    are referring to at all.






    This silly letter might seem to say that the purported visions of
    "the former Yugoslavia" are not of anything supernatural, but it
    does not say that at all.  It says there is an investigation going
    on, and that's all it says.  

    It quotes the "declaration" of the bishops of the former republic
    of Yugoslavia in their letter of April 10th, 1991, where it says,
    "On the basis of the research that has been done, it is not
    possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural
    revelations."

    It does not say that the current investigation has produced the
    same judgment, it merely says the CDF has affirmed that all
    should accept that declaration (letter of 1991), in regards to the
    credibility of the "apparitions" in question.  

    Notice that it says "the credibility of the 'apparitions' in question."  
    That means, literally, that the 'apparitions' are credible, to the
    extent of the 'declaration' letter, and that letter does not say they
    are not credible.  

    With such continuously ambiguous language, how can they expect
    anyone to know what they are saying, if anything?  

    This Nunciature letter says that Mr. Dragicevic will be receiving
    "apparitions" during his scheduled appearances at certain
    parishes around the country, and will make presentations
    regarding "the phenomenon of Medjorgurje" (that would seem
    to mean Medjugorje).

    Does the Nunciature letter say that the appearances of Mr.
    Dragicevic are not to be allowed or condoned?  No, it does not.  

    Does it say that the scheduled presentations are forbidden?  No,
    it does not.  

    Does it say that the anticipated "apparitions" that he plans to
    receive standing there in front of the quivering masses of eager
    viewers showing up for the "show" are not real or authentic
    "apparitions"?  No, it does not.

    So this is all smoke and mirrors.  

    Perhaps some scheduled appearances of Mr. Dragicevic
    will be canceled, but when the avid eager masses of fanatics
    start to raise a ruckus with their local parishes or at the
    chancery offices downtown, you can be sure that the scheduled
    appearances will go on as planned.  




    You should see this for what it is, just another publicity ploy,
    to raise a rumble of controversy over something that ought to be
    entirely forgotten.  And the guy whose picture you see above, is
    laughing all the way to the bank.  


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    Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
    « Reply #6 on: November 06, 2013, 07:47:45 PM »
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  • My understanding its a false apparition and the ones doing it are profiting from it and the local economy too.

    I've personally known "good Catholics" get caught up and go over their with family. They'd come back all spiritual or whatever. Then their lives seem to fall apart. Major stuff like leaving the religion for a cult, divorce, kids going to jail.

    One woman I know who still thinks herself Catholic is running around sprinkling blessed salt atoning for the sins against the native Americans. She has a bunch of kids and basically ignores them as traveling and doing Gods work is more important. But her calling she claims is to be an exorcist. And she's been performing exorcisms on her own.

    This all came directly within a year of going there.

    "Thank you for responding to my call"

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    Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
    « Reply #7 on: November 06, 2013, 10:58:01 PM »
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    Ursus, I'm not at all surprised.

    In 1992 I knew a couple who had been on the "road show" that the
    "MEDGE" crowd put on, and they got a good look at what really goes
    on behind the scenes.  They said that so long as the show was in
    progress or even whenever there was an eyewitness around (that
    is, someone from the "outside"), the road show performers were
    model saints.  They behaved in an absolutely courteous and
    pleasant way, giving rapt attention to the visitors -- much like the
    costumed employees of Disneyland do for the crowds coming in
    to the park.  They are trained to give the visitors to Disneyland
    a feeling of having entered into another world.

    But then, when the crowds go home, and the performers get
    together to share stories about their "day" that's when it all comes
    to the surface.  They reveled in how they 'fooled' the crowd.  They
    behaved very familiarly with each other, and used profanity.  They
    drank in no small amount, even using some drugs.  Various
    pairs would go off to share a common lodging together.  And the
    partners were not the same from day to day.  IOW, it was nothing
    holy.  The bottom line was how much money they made.  

    Medjugorje is all about money.  They keep the tourists coming in.
    And people keep paying the price.  They come from all over the
    world, see Medge, and take their trinkets home with them.  

    I knew some ladies who had "golden rosaries" that they took
    to go see Medge, and that's when their rosaries "turned to gold."

    I asked to see one of them, and for all I could tell, it wasn't gold
    at all but brass, and it was not just that but the brass core of
    metal that had been plated with nickle or other silver-tone metal.
    Somehow, the chrome plating got worn off real quick, which can
    happen with certain chemical action like with acid.

    I asked them if they had taken their rosaries to a chemist or a
    lab to have them checked, even a local Jєωeler can do it.  They
    replied, "Oh, NO!  We couldn't do THAT!  That would be
    DOUBTING our LADY!!"  


    I replied that St. Paul said in First Thessalonians that we should
    TEST EVERYTHING.*  They replied that I just don't have any faith.  

    So the fruits of Medge and 'her' teachings are, to not pay any
    attention to Apostolic Tradition,
    even when it's written in black
    and white in I Thessalonians v. 21.  


    If that doesn't speak volumes, then I don't know what to tell you.


    Those with eyes to see, let them see;  
    those with ears to hear let them hear;  
    those who refuse to see and will not hear,
    let them be anathema.  





    *Douay Rheims has "prove all things" but some translations say
    "test everything."
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    Finally, something is being done about Medjugorje?!
    « Reply #8 on: November 07, 2013, 03:45:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    Ursus, I'm not at all surprised.

    In 1992 I knew a couple who had been on the "road show" that the
    "MEDGE" crowd put on, and they got a good look at what really goes
    on behind the scenes.  They said that so long as the show was in
    progress or even whenever there was an eyewitness around (that
    is, someone from the "outside"), the road show performers were
    model saints.  They behaved in an absolutely courteous and
    pleasant way, giving rapt attention to the visitors -- much like the
    costumed employees of Disneyland do for the crowds coming in
    to the park.  They are trained to give the visitors to Disneyland
    a feeling of having entered into another world.

    But then, when the crowds go home, and the performers get
    together to share stories about their "day" that's when it all comes
    to the surface.  They reveled in how they 'fooled' the crowd.  They
    behaved very familiarly with each other, and used profanity.  They
    drank in no small amount, even using some drugs.  Various
    pairs would go off to share a common lodging together.  And the
    partners were not the same from day to day.  IOW, it was nothing
    holy.  The bottom line was how much money they made.  

    Medjugorje is all about money.  They keep the tourists coming in.
    And people keep paying the price.  They come from all over the
    world, see Medge, and take their trinkets home with them.  

    I knew some ladies who had "golden rosaries" that they took
    to go see Medge, and that's when their rosaries "turned to gold."

    I asked to see one of them, and for all I could tell, it wasn't gold
    at all but brass, and it was not just that but the brass core of
    metal that had been plated with nickle or other silver-tone metal.
    Somehow, the chrome plating got worn off real quick, which can
    happen with certain chemical action like with acid.

    I asked them if they had taken their rosaries to a chemist or a
    lab to have them checked, even a local Jєωeler can do it.  They
    replied, "Oh, NO!  We couldn't do THAT!  That would be
    DOUBTING our LADY!!"  


    I replied that St. Paul said in First Thessalonians that we should
    TEST EVERYTHING.*  They replied that I just don't have any faith.  

    So the fruits of Medge and 'her' teachings are, to not pay any
    attention to Apostolic Tradition,
    even when it's written in black
    and white in I Thessalonians v. 21.  


    If that doesn't speak volumes, then I don't know what to tell you.


    Those with eyes to see, let them see;  
    those with ears to hear let them hear;  
    those who refuse to see and will not hear,
    let them be anathema.  





    *Douay Rheims has "prove all things" but some translations say
    "test everything."

    So if their gig as "prophetic seers" falls through then they can go to work at Disney?