Is Feminism Catholic or not?

Not today's feminism.  But there was a kind of feminism going on in early Church history.  Mary Magdalene is one good example, and St. Jerome is another excellent example.  It goes against the very heart of Catholicism to support the idea that women are somehow less, and that's what feminism is supposed to be about.

Do you realise that the reason why women wear pants in the modern era is because of Feminism?

No, I don't realize this, because I don't think it's true.   I know there have been some articles here and there about some big feminist conspiracy.  But women started wearing pants, because they started to become available in feminine styles, for women, regardless of why they became available.  No matter how you cut it, pants are frequently more comfortable, so it's no wonder women were happy to adopt them.  Nothing in society told them that buying and wearing pants would make them raging feminαzι man-haters, they just started wearing clothes that were available, comfortable, and looked nice to them.

The average woman in the 60s and 70s who started wearing jeans made for women did not follow Gloria Steinem, did not burn her bra or anything like that.  These things are all fringe activities.  Sure, they had their affect on us, but following a trend does not a bra-burner make.

The problem is, that it is true.

We have quite the conundrum, don't we?

It's not a question of if it comes from feminism because feminists openly admitted that it was. The question comes down to will you accept history that this is true.

It's not a matter of opinion or what I or anyone else believes.

But you see, if a woman honestly does not believe that what she is doing is some sort of anti-catholic affront.. how can you rightly accuse her of such?

Women are going around everywhere in pants, believing that they make no political statement whatsoever.

Sure, plenty are dressed immodestly, but plenty are chubby grandmother's who are not trying to impress anyone.  You can't accuse all women, not even traditional catholics, of harboring secret evil feminist notions, just for wearing pants.

But you see, if a woman honestly does not believe that what she is doing is some sort of anti-catholic affront.. how can you rightly accuse her of such?

Women are going around everywhere in pants, believing that they make no political statement whatsoever.

Sure, plenty are dressed immodestly, but plenty are chubby grandmother's who are not trying to impress anyone.  You can't accuse all women, not even traditional catholics, of harboring secret evil feminist notions, just for wearing pants.

You ask a good question, and a fair one. Let's say I was a Communist agent (and I'm not, but this is what really happened) and I asked everyone to follow me because it was good for you. Well the people followed and it caught on. Those people, without realizing it, were helping promulgate Communism.

In a very spiritual sense St. Paul as Saul thought he was defending God by killing Christians. It took courage to admit that he was a murderer and on the wrong side.

You see our own personal opinions in matters don't matter (unless it's a private issue like if you enjoy pizza with or without pepperoni) and our job is to conform to the truth, resist the spirit of the world, and be holy. The word holy means to be separate and to be apart, and in this case it means apart from the world whose Prince is Satan.

I'm not accusing any women of being a feminist who wears pants (because many don't know better). I'm saying they are helping the feminist cause without realizing it, and sometimes they realize it. The early proto-feminists did it in renegade fashion (like the actresses) and it was considered abhorrent for a women to wear pants even in this country.

All I'm saying is that the history of women wearing pants in Western culture was of feminist/Communist origin. There is no question this is true, the question is do you realize the ideologies to harm the female psyche without realing it? One of my sister's had a real hard time with this, and she couldn't do it because it was so feminine and so against her nature. Don't think the clothes you wear doesn't affect your appearance to others and to your own psyche.

Here's a great article of some of the history (although very short):
http://traditioninaction.org/Cultural/C001cp.htm

Do you realise that the reason why women have short hair in the modern era is because of Feminism?

If you do, and you're a man who thinks women should stop wearing trousers for that reason, do you think women should stop having short hair?

If not, why not?
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Do you realise that the reason why women wear calf-length skirts in the modern era is because of Feminism?

If you do, and you're a man who thinks women should stop wearing trousers for that reason, do you think women should stop wearing calf-length skirts?

If not, why not?

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Do you realise that the reason why women don't wear veils outside of church anymore is because of Feminism?

If you do, and you're a man who thinks women shouldn't wear trousers for that women, do you think women should start wearing veils again, outside of church?

If not, why not?

I'm looking forward to the answers to these questions  

Do you realise that the reason why women have short hair in the modern era is because of Feminism?

If you do, and you're a man who thinks women should stop wearing trousers for that reason, do you think women should stop having short hair?

If not, why not?

Absolutely, for the reason you already gave.

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Do you realise that the reason why women wear calf-length skirts in the modern era is because of Feminism?

If you do, and you're a man who thinks women should stop wearing trousers for that reason, do you think women should stop wearing calf-length skirts?

If not, why not?

There is no link from feminism. Give me a historical overview and show me. I can do that with pants. Women shouldn't wear calf-length skirts, but I must say that it's hard for a women to find modest clothing. Lastly, the Sacred Congregation for the faith gave their minimums for decor by women so I will stick with that decision, although I believe they should dress as modest as possible.

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Do you realise that the reason why women don't wear veils outside of church anymore is because of Feminism?

If you do, and you're a man who thinks women shouldn't wear trousers for that reason, do you think women should start wearing veils again, outside of church?

If not, why not?

Again, there is no historical basis for such a claim. Women didn't wear veils outside Church for over 1,000 years, but in certain areas it was still done. Again, there is no historical evidence to verify that.

So now I ask you BRING YOUR PROOF or stop acting on behalf of the legions of evil who try to diminish truth with half-lies, concocting questions with no cohesiveness, and seek no point in trying to prove one thing by disproving another which is not logical. Just because A is correct, it doesn't mean A is no longer correct if I can diminish the value or obfuscate B.

I still want your credentials Clare before you instruct me on your knowledge of theology. Trust me, Fr. Jone's book is a microcosm of morals.