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Offline Cantarella

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Female Priests Defy Catholic Church At The Altar
« on: November 11, 2013, 02:45:09 PM »
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  • THE NERVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :barf:

    http://www.npr.org/2011/06/12/137102746/women-priests-defy-the-church-at-the-altar

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    Roman Catholic "Womenpriests" on their ordination day, June 4, at St. John's United Church of Christ in Catonsville, Md.
     
    In 2002, seven women were secretly ordained as priests by two Roman Catholic bishops in Germany. After their ordination, a kind of domino effect ensued.

    Those seven women went on to ordain other women, and a movement to ordain female priests all around the world was born. The movement, named Roman Catholic Womenpriests, says more than a hundred women have been ordained since 2002, and two-thirds of them are in the U.S.

    On a recent June day in Maryland, four more women were ordained as priests. The gallery at St. John's United Church of Christ was filled with Catholic priests and nuns, there to support the women and the ordination movement — though visitors were asked not to photograph them. Witnessing the ceremony was enough to risk excommunication.

    The audience turned to watch as the women made their way down the aisle, beaming like brides. The two-and-a-half-hour ceremony ended with Holy Communion — the moment they'd been waiting for. Each woman performed the rites for the first time as a priest, breaking bread and serving wine as tears of joy flowed down their faces.

    Marellen Mayers is one of the women ordained that day, and like her fellow ordinands, she was raised in the Catholic Church. Her mother had an altar at home, and when Mayers was a child, she would stand in front of it, wearing a cloth as her vestments and saying the Latin Mass.

    "My brother and sister would be kneeling behind me, and if I said, 'Dominus vobiscuм,' I would turn around and say, 'You're supposed to say 'Et cuм spiritu tuo,' " Mayers recalls.

    Fellow ordinand Patti LaRosa had a similar experience growing up. She came from a close-knit Italian family and always felt comfortable in the Catholic Church. In the late '70s she got married, had two kids and was working as an assistant at a law firm in Rochester, N.Y.

    Several times a week she would go to church during her lunch break, and one day she realized, "I'm supposed to be a priest."

    As members of the Roman Catholic Church, these female priests are all breaking church rules, which allow ordination only to baptized males. No member of the Roman Catholic Womenpriests has been excommunicated by the Church, but they have felt repercussions. They've not only been threatened but also have lost friends and colleagues within the Church — many of whom fear they will lose their jobs if they support the women's ordination movement openly.

    LaRosa recognizes they are breaking Church law — specifically Canon 10:24 — but says, "when you have an unjust law, sometimes it needs to be broken before it can be changed."
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Female Priests Defy Catholic Church At The Altar
    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 02:56:12 PM »
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  • That article is wrong.  Those women were not ordained as priests.  It is impossible for a woman to be ordained as a priest.  There were unsuccessful attempts to ordain those women but not a single one took effect.

    These people might as well proclaim that the law of gravity is an unjust law and try to break it.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 11, 2013, 02:58:19 PM »
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  • .

    I think it might be just a spelling error:  


    Female Priests Deify Catholic Church at the Altar


    After all, they capitalized "At" and "The" in error, so that's two already.


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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 03:21:09 PM »
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    More:


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    Several times a week she would go to church during her lunch break, and one day she realized, "I'm supposed to be a priest."


    And, in other news, Franny Fenderwithers one day realized,
    "I'm supposed to be a woman."





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    As members of the Roman Catholic Church, these female priests are all breaking church rules, which allow ordination only to baptized males.


    It's not only the rules of the Church, but the rules of God.  In order
    for an ordination to be valid it must entail valid matter.  Only a man
    is valid matter, and a woman is invalid matter.  So the so-called
    ordination is not valid.  They are not priests.





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    No member of the Roman Catholic Womenpriests has been excommunicated by the Church, but they have felt repercussions.


    Another falsehood.  The excommunication is latae sententiae,
    which in layman's terms means "by the fact of the act itself."  This
    means that no docuмent or judgment of the Church is necessary,
    and by accepting to partake in the ceremony and to act as if they
    have been ordained, they have automatically excommunicated
    themselves.  No announcement or process of the Church is needed
    for this to be the fact of history.  Whether the Church does the
    right thing and acknowledges this fact or not is a different topic.





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    They've not only been threatened but also have lost friends and colleagues within the Church — many of whom fear they will lose their jobs if they support the women's ordination movement openly.


    They should be more concerned with losing their eternal salvation.  
    In saner days, they would have been run out of town on a rail.


    Or worse..................... :heretic:


    Alternatively, they could just go to work for the local Chancery office,
    where such views are just fine and dandy.



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    « Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 03:50:17 PM »
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  • I believe they will be in "full" communion with the Conciliar sect by 2017 and in time for the celebration with the Lutherans of the 500th anniversary of Luther's schism.

    Meanwhile, Menzingen will still be on the outside longing to be in.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 04:06:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    I believe they will be in "full" communion with the Conciliar sect by 2017 and in time for the celebration with the Lutherans of the 500th anniversary of Luther's schism.

    Meanwhile, Menzingen will still be on the outside longing to be in.




    You know, if enough of us send e-mails to Menzingen and beg them to
    re-consider, perhaps XSPXSGBF will wake up and realize that he's missing
    the boat -- alls he's gotter do iz ordain a few womyn and he'll be in like
    Flynn.  So git withit.


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    « Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 04:28:34 PM »
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    That article is wrong.  Those women were not ordained as priests.  It is impossible for a woman to be ordained as a priest.  There were unsuccessful attempts to ordain those women but not a single one took effect.

    These people might as well proclaim that the law of gravity is an unjust law and try to break it.


    Good point.  In reality, this is an impossibility.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 08:53:53 PM »
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  • There is really no need to get any more worked up about this than would would about an Episcopalian or Lutheran ordination.

    No Catholics were involved in the making of this ceremony.  

    The women who attempted to be ordained incurred excommunication by doing so, as was correctly pointed out above.  Any priests there who began the day as Catholics ended it as excommunicates by participating in the service.  The women who attempted to perform this ordination incurred excommunication long ago when they went through such a ceremony themselves.  They can call themselves "Roman Catholic WomenPriests" all they want.  No one, absolutely no one, not even these women themselves, really takes the Roman Catholic part seriously even if they do think they are some sort of priests.  

    I continue to be amused by this group's claim that two Roman Catholic bishops ordained them.  Of course, these bishops, if they did exist, incurred excommunication when they attempted to ordain woman in the first place.  They are also cowards.  If they had the courage of their heretical convictions, they would have done it publicly and accepted the consequences.  I could sort of respect their sincerity and willingness to lose their cushy positions for their principles if they did that.  As it is, they are craven slugs hiding from the light of day in some dark corner.

    That is assuming they exist at all.  No actual proof has ever been offered, as far as I know.  I think these bishops were most likely Old Catholics, and this is the real reason their identify is kept secret.  Calling the group "Old Catholic WomenPriests" doesn't have the dame incendiary ring to it.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 12:19:54 PM »
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  • Why didn't someone call the police?

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    « Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 01:22:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    Why didn't someone call the police?


     :roll-laugh1:

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    « Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 02:52:10 PM »
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  • Ah... for the good ole days!




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #11 on: November 12, 2013, 05:05:44 PM »
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  • .

    Boy, the cleanup job after one of those 'bonfires' must have been
    really something.  There is one account of the cleanup after the
    martyrdom of St. Joan of Arc, when the guy shoveling up the
    ashes found her beating heart among them.  He was ordered to
    burn it more thoroughly, so he put a pile of sulfur on it and ignited
    that, but the sulfur only burned and the heart remained alive and
    well. They then threw it into the river.  One might expect that it
    remains there to this day, beating away at the bottom of that
    same river.  

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    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 07:38:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jaynek
    These people might as well proclaim that the law of gravity is an unjust law and try to break it.


    One could only hope.

    Perhaps they might test that out by jumping off a skyscraper.

    Just kidding; we need to pray for them.  It's one thing for a woman to have a desire to be a priest (St. Therese desired it for all the right reasons); quite another for them to defy Church dogma.  They're clearly heretics.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 08:25:10 PM »
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  • Does this constitute a desecration of that church?
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    « Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 11:08:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia
    Does this constitute a desecration of that church?



    It would seem to be the case!

    Good question!

    If it does, every Mass offered there before the bishop exorcises the church
    and consecrates it again (including mentioning the name of the church, not
    something like the diocese or the country or the world or whatever) would
    be a sacrilegious Mass.

    From what I've heard, Mass can be offered in places that are not consecrated,
    like a hotel banquet hall or the hood of a jeep during wartime or things like
    that, but once a church is consecrated and then desecrated, it's a different
    story.


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