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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2019, 08:35:52 AM »
LET US NOW EXPOSE JOHNSON'S LIE --

in the previous thread, Johnson declared:

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Limbo is the border region of hell: Those who are consigned to it do not see the face of God (which is the primary punishment of the damned).

They may be saved from the pain of sense (Aquinas v Augustine), but not from the loss of the beatific vision which they experienced at their particular judgment.

A God who would do this would be unjust, which ought to show the Feeneyite error.

So previously, Johnson stated that God would be unjust for sending someone to Limbo without first having a chance for salvation.

Now Johnson lies and claims that his position has been that God would only be unjust for actually damning someone to hell (vs. Limbo).
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2019, 08:44:13 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 12, 2019, 08:35:52 AM
LET US NOW EXPOSE JOHNSON'S LIE --

in the previous thread, Johnson declared:

So previously, Johnson stated that God would be unjust for sending someone to Limbo without first having a chance for salvation.

Now Johnson lies and claims that his position has been that God would only be unjust for actually damning someone to hell (vs. Limbo).
Loudestmouth-

Limbo IS in hell.

http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/circle1.html
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2019, 11:26:12 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 12, 2019, 08:44:13 AM
Loudestmouth-

Limbo IS in hell.

http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/circle1.html

:facepalm:

You're too much of an ignoramus to even understand how you lie and contradict yourself.

Try to follow along without hurting yourself.

You SEEM to be arguing in this thread that God would not be unjust to send unbaptized infants to Limbo, claiming that is your position ... whereas on the earlier thread you declared that God would be unjust even to send people to Limbo without giving them a "chance".
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2019, 07:58:55 PM »
I'm gonna add my voice to Ladislaus' question.  And I believe in Baptism of Desire.

If an infant dies in infancy, without baptism, they had no chance of salvation, yet they go to Limbo.

So why is it UNJUST for God to similarly sentence an adult who has never heard the gospel or committed a mortal sin to Limbo?

I can see why it would be unjust if God sentenced them to eternal torment.  I think that would be unjust, as far as I can understand.  But how is anyone owed the beatific vision, or even a chance at it?  Isn't saying that anyone is owed such a thing pelagian?
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Offline JoeZ

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #59 on: August 12, 2019, 08:47:11 PM »
If I may,

Christ's words Himself from the Gospel of Matthew, chptr XI;

"Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes. [22] But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you. [23]And thou Capharnaum, shalt thou be exalted up to heaven? thou shalt go down even unto hell. For if in Sodom had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in thee, perhaps it had remained unto this day. [24] But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. [25] At that time Jesus answered and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them to the little ones."

Implicit in His argument is the seeming inequity of revelation. Why are those from Trye and Sidon kept ignorant of something that would lead to their salvation. God's ways are inscrutable, we can only guess. Is their ignorance a mercy as was stated before? If God reveals too much to the Sodomites perhaps those souls loose their free will because they can't help but choose the good. That's how free will works. Why is one saved and one is not? St Augustine says you begin to err as soon as you begin to wonder. 
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