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Offline Augustinus21

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2019, 11:37:27 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on August 10, 2019, 11:30:29 AM
Have you seen an angel convert someone either? I haven't.
We could not. It is between the individual and God as Muller says
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Offline Augustinus21

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2019, 11:43:43 AM »
Quote from: trad123 on August 10, 2019, 11:33:11 AM
I was about to post that.

It's not registering to him that there is a change from adhering to a non-Catholic sect to now adhering to the Catholic faith.

The point being made is that we don't know if someone had a conversion at the hour of death. CONVERSION. Augustinus21, you're so focused on Baptism of Desire that you're missing the necessity of the Catholic faith. Fr. Mueller's position is akin to Baptism of Desire for catechumens.
No it’s not. A catechumen has received the Faith to some degree. He’s talking about people who have not received the Faith through no fault of their own. 
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Offline trad123

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2019, 11:46:01 AM »
Define: receiving the faith
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Offline Augustinus21

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2019, 11:50:01 AM »
Quote from: trad123 on August 10, 2019, 11:46:01 AM
Define: receiving the faith
Being given a clear idea of the Trinity and the Incarnation and the nature of the Church. One who knows these teachings and rejects them will be damned
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Offline trad123

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2019, 12:01:05 PM »
Please explain to me what is happening here:

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A. I mean that God, in His infinite mercy, may enlighten, at the hour of death, one who is not yet a Catholic, so that he may see the truth of the Catholic faith, be truly sorry for his sins, and sincerely desire to die a good Catholic.

Is this not  "Being given a clear idea of the Trinity and the Incarnation and the nature of the Church"  ?
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