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Offline Augustinus21

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2019, 10:45:32 AM »
Quote from: trad123 on August 10, 2019, 10:41:53 AM

Are you sure you read that?
Yes, that is my position 
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Offline trad123

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2019, 10:47:41 AM »
Quote from: Augustinus21 on August 10, 2019, 10:45:32 AM
Yes, that is my position

Read again:


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Q. What do you mean by this?

A. I mean that God, in His infinite mercy, may enlighten, at the hour of death, one who is not yet a Catholic, so that he may see the truth of the Catholic faith, be truly sorry for his sins, and sincerely desire to die a good Catholic.

Q. What do we say of those who receive such an extraordinary grace, and die in this manner?

A. We say of them that they die united, at least, to the soul of the Catholic Church, and are saved.

Q. What, then, awaits all those who are out of the Catholic Church, and die without having received such an extraordinary grace at the hour of death?

A. Eternal damnation.

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Offline trad123

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2019, 10:52:10 AM »
Let me make another part bold to clarify this:


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I’m talking about someone who never gets a chance to hear the Faith in their lifetime.

Think about it like this. There were millions of native peoples who lived in the Americas before the Faith was ever brought over here. Surely some of them lived naturally virtuous lives and never heard the Gospel Or received the Faith. It would be ridiculous to assume they all went to Hell without exception. Fr. Michael Muller explains the position well

https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/fr-michael-muller-c-s-s-r-taught-the-doctrine-of-baptism-of-desire/


Never means never. As in no occasion whatsoever.

That is not the same thing as saying:


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A. I mean that God, in His infinite mercy, may enlighten, at the hour of death, one who is not yet a Catholic, so that he may see the truth of the Catholic faith, be truly sorry for his sins, and sincerely desire to die a good Catholic.

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Offline Augustinus21

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2019, 10:57:44 AM »
Quote from: trad123 on August 10, 2019, 10:52:10 AM
Let me make another part bold to clarify this:



Never means never. As in no occasion whatsoever.

That is not the same thing as saying:
Yes it does. Muller assumes that the person in question is a non-Catholic through no fault of his own. One who hears the Faith and rejects it wouldn’t fall under this.
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Offline forlorn

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2019, 11:02:17 AM »
Quote from: Augustinus21 on August 10, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
I’m talking about someone who never gets a chance to hear the Faith in their lifetime.
Think about it like this. There were millions of native peoples who lived in the Americas before the Faith was ever brought over here. Surely some of them lived naturally virtuous lives and never heard the Gospel Or received the Faith. It would be ridiculous to assume they all went to Hell without exception. Fr. Michael Muller explains the position well
https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/fr-michael-muller-c-s-s-r-taught-the-doctrine-of-baptism-of-desire/
You said an angel or preacher would be sent to them by God. Why would the angel or the preacher not baptise them? 
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