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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2019, 07:39:33 PM »
Hey, Sean, are you ready to take a stab yet about why you don't consider it unjust that God would not give an infant who dies without Baptism a chance at salvation?
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Offline forlorn

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 10, 2019, 11:08:36 PM
I know I made a good post when Loudestmouth goes apoplectic, and runs off 12-13 2-sentence posts in response.

Oh, the frothy lathering, and gnashing of Feeneyite teeth; I can hear the wailing...
Still no attempt to address our points. I'll ask again. If God would be unjust for not giving an invincibly ignorant man a chance at the beatific vision, then how is God not unjust for creating souls which He knows will be aborted, or die as infants before baptism? If you believe unbaptised babies don't go to Heaven, while simultaneously saying that the creation of any soul that didn't get a chance at the Beatific Vision is unjust, then you are saying God is unjust.

Major: The creation of souls that do not have a chance to achieve the Beatific Vision is unjust
Minor: Aborted babies, which God creates, do not get a chance to achieve the Beatific Vision.
Conclusion: God is unjust.

You've spent over a week dodging this basic point, that your premises when followed to their logical conclusions would mean God is unjust. Which is ridiculous and blasphemous.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2019, 08:17:37 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 11, 2019, 07:39:33 PM
Hey, Sean, are you ready to take a stab yet about why you don't consider it unjust that God would not give an infant who dies without Baptism a chance at salvation?

Loudestmouth-

That is YOUR position, not mine.

My position is that it WOULD be unjust to create someone unavoidably destined for damnation (Calvin).
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Offline forlorn

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2019, 08:30:49 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 11, 2019, 08:17:37 PM
Loudestmouth-

That is YOUR position, not mine.

My position is that it WOULD be unjust to create someone unavoidably destined for damnation (Calvin).
If they died without stain of mortal sin, they would go to Limbo just like an unbaptised infant. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2019, 08:28:44 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 11, 2019, 08:17:37 PM
Loudestmouth-

That is YOUR position, not mine.

My position is that it WOULD be unjust to create someone unavoidably destined for damnation (Calvin).

So, clarify.  Which part of the position is not yours?  Do you not believe that unbaptized infants who die can be saved?

Nice try to slither out, Johnson, but there's nothing unjust about an adult going to hell.  Whatever punishment said adult would receive would be imposed in strict justice in consequence of his sins.  As forlorn pointed out, had they committed no sins, they would also not have any eternal punishment but would be in the same state as unbaptized infants.

So you stewed over this for nearly a week, and this is the best you could come up with?

Of course, it's also a lie, Johnson, because you had previous stated that it would be unjust for God not to give souls a chance at salvation (with no reference do damnation).  So are you amending your position?  Are you saying that it is NOT unjust for God not to give any given soul a chance for salvation?
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