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Offline St Magnus

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« on: September 22, 2013, 12:39:43 PM »
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  • http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3460942.0.html

    Unbelievable. Jayne is playing games. 'I don't want to be a mod. I'd be a bad choice. Then again I wouldn't refuse if asked" (paraphrasing)

    She's licking her chops at the notion of power to ban trads and suppress the truth about the crisis.

    The tranny is back and has publicly denied dogmas and doctrine and proudly accepts the title heretic. All the while promoting sexual deviance and hurling bible verses at the few Roman Catholics left there.

    Vox doesn't get it. She banned a catholic answers charismatic movement promoter that Jayne invited and then reversed the decision. The guy questioned Vox's integrity in a very insulting manner. I'm sure Jayne begged him back.

    So there are about 6 of these members, including Jayne and the tranny, who have been emboldened by Vox's protection of them. Any of them can damn a trad to hell or promote modernist-like agendas, but a trad dare not speak to bluntly in a reply to them. The trad will be accuses of being mean, nasty, or worse.

    So here she is wanting donations to increase. One one hand the main site is one of, if not the best one stop collection of orthodox Catholic material. But moving to the forum, we are now seeing a trad forum crumble under the weight of a full out assault of the few trads left there by liberals. I suppose we can't blame these neocats for striking while the iron is hot. Vox did open the doors.

    Anyhow, this current cry for help from Vox is troubling. She is on a "I want my forum to represent trads in a positive light " kick, but allows Jayne to tell trads they are wrong to display anything but blind obedience to modernist teaching and errors.

    Don't dare question the pope's ambiguous statements on FE Trad forum. Not these days. The neocats don't like it.


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    Offline Matthew

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    « Reply #1 on: September 22, 2013, 12:47:40 PM »
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  • Sounds like the new SSPX.

    Anyone who supports the neo-SSPX should have no problem with Fisheaters.

    Vox has always been all about giving a "good impression about Trads" to the newbies, even as far back as 2006. I don't think she'd even disagree with that.

    Which sounds good and all, but what about doctrine? What about morality? What about dangers to the Faith? One can go too far in censoring the "controversial" stuff, to the point that the very truth and important topics are squelched.

    Thank you for posting a link -- so much better than just posting an assertion without any basis or proof.

    Because from now on, I want to see PROOF or at least something CONCRETE like QUOTES when anything is alleged about another individual or forum.

    CathInfo is not a rumor mill, or an axe grinding forum. It's also not a drama queen whoring for attention in some kind of "forum soap opera".

    If someone comes on here and says that Fr. Rostand is against the Resistance, I'm going to have to ask for proof (which shouldn't be a problem of course!)

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    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2013, 12:50:53 PM »
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  • I saw all of that.  Vox just can't stand the "nastiness" anymore.  The posters over there (including myself who was banned for "general rudeness") are not nasty by and large.    
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #3 on: September 22, 2013, 12:55:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Sounds like the new SSPX.

    Anyone who supports the neo-SSPX should have no problem with Fisheaters.

    Vox has always been all about giving a "good impression about Trads" to the newbies, even as far back as 2006. I don't think she'd even disagree with that.

    Which sounds good and all, but what about doctrine? What about morality? What about dangers to the Faith? One can go too far in censoring the "controversial" stuff, to the point that the very truth and important topics are squelched.

    Thank you for posting a link -- so much better than just posting an assertion without any basis or proof.

    Because from now on, I want to see PROOF and QUOTES about anything alleged about another individual or forum.

    CathInfo is not a rumor mill, or an axe grinding forum. It's also not a drama queen whoring for attention in some kind of "forum soap opera".

    If someone comes on here and says that Fr. Rostand is against the Resistance, I'm going to have to ask for proof (which shouldn't be a problem of course!)

     :wink:


    Fair enough.

    And thanks for being a level headed owner of a trad forum. Seems to be a shortage of such imo.


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    « Reply #4 on: September 22, 2013, 12:56:10 PM »
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  • We should pray a novena that it does.  Seriously.  People will say that the main site (not the forum) the site is 'invaluable' but all the information on the FE main site can be found elsewhere, the only benefit is that it is well-organized.  So if the main site goes with the forum, so be it.  That place is a living, breathing scandal.  It only reinforces the modernist tendencies and neo-Catholic sentiments that exist among so many self described 'traditional' Catholics.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 22, 2013, 12:58:00 PM »
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    I saw all of that.  Vox just can't stand the "nastiness" anymore.  The posters over there (including myself who was banned for "general rudeness") are not nasty by and large.    


    Of course they aren't unless baited by the neocats.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 22, 2013, 01:02:09 PM »
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    I saw all of that.  Vox just can't stand the "nastiness" anymore.  The posters over there (including myself who was banned for "general rudeness") are not nasty by and large.    


    Of course they aren't unless baited by the neocats.


    True.  Or when some always blame the media.  Oh that annoyed the crap out of me over there.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2013, 01:06:51 PM »
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    I saw all of that.  Vox just can't stand the "nastiness" anymore.  The posters over there (including myself who was banned for "general rudeness") are not nasty by and large.    


    You are probably right.

    Speaking of which, I'd like to bring up something that's been bothering me. I'd like to honestly consider the charge that FE is liberal and/or "all bad".
    I mean, how can you make such a broad generalizations about a forum of hundreds or thousands of people?

    Sorry, there is no such thing.

    How can you summarize -- to any meaningful degree -- a group of hundreds or even thousands of young men and women, middle aged men and women, older men and women, OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE -- single, married, rich, poor, educated, not-so-educated...

    How can you paint with a brush that broad? If you dab the ground with it, you'll be able to see the dot from space!

    Let's look into it here...

    I know people like to call FE "liberal" and maybe they're right -- at least to a point. I know there's at least a very vocal minority that defends outrageous things like a transsexual man going by "she". Or cohabitation. There's no denying or defending that.

    But how many people there just don't say anything? How many try to be Catholic, while not sticking out like a sore thumb? Maybe some of them would prefer not to get banned. For some people, it's in their personality to go with the crowd.

    But again, maybe they are liberal. It's true that the moderator herself shows plenty of evidence for being liberal. She speaks the language, etc. and you can see it in most of her posts. And a forum owner will tend to MOSTLY favor people like himself, and be against those who diametrically oppose what he stands for.

    I'll admit -- there are a couple members on CathInfo that are a thorn in my side. Maybe more than a couple :)  But they're my penance.

    I don't want to excuse Fisheaters or Vox for how she's run that forum -- but let's just say I always want to look into each accusation, and always consider the other side. It's only fair. Things are seldom as cut & dried as people think. Especially when you're talking about a forum of hundreds or thousands of people!

    Only in sports are things that cut & dried. "Bears good. Packers bad." (or vice-versa).


    At any rate, my point is this: There are some malcontents and troublemakers that even call CathInfo (and myself) liberal, or leaning towards liberalism. Which is about as ridiculous as a pink rhinoceros selling drugs to the Amish.

    To throw that word at me is to lose all credibility.

    There's not the slightest shred of evidence or basis for that charge. They can't seem to tell the difference between a "devil's advocate" or "different perspective" and a forum that's generally favorable to liberals.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 22, 2013, 01:09:53 PM »
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    We should pray a novena that it does.  Seriously.  People will say that the main site (not the forum) the site is 'invaluable' but all the information on the FE main site can be found elsewhere, the only benefit is that it is well-organized.  So if the main site goes with the forum, so be it.  That place is a living, breathing scandal.  It only reinforces the modernist tendencies and neo-Catholic sentiments that exist among so many self described 'traditional' Catholics.


    I wish I could argue otherwise, but you are spot on.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 22, 2013, 01:10:34 PM »
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  • Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get why you feel you need to defend FE from my post.  I'm saying that most posters are not nasty.  What is wrong with that?

    Added:  This post was supposed to quote Matthew's post.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #10 on: September 22, 2013, 01:13:46 PM »
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  • Sorry about that -- it wasn't really aimed at you.

    It was your defense of FE that reminded me of what I wanted to say, that's all.

    I rephrased my post a bit (toward the beginning).

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    « Reply #11 on: September 22, 2013, 01:18:31 PM »
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    Sorry about that -- it wasn't really aimed at you.

    It was your defense of FE that reminded me of what I wanted to say, that's all.

    I rephrased my post a bit (toward the beginning).



    I just saw your change.  But, I actually wasn't defending FE...LOL.  I was just pointing out that Vox said one of the reasons why it might get closed down was because she is tired of the nastiness over there.  I was trying to point out that what she considers "nasty" isn't really "nasty".



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    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2013, 01:22:12 PM »
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  • Of course, it's very likely that Vox is simply saying this to get her daily bread.  Look at all the replies-- they're all based in sentimentality.  Not a single one of those replies correspons to the reality of FE, which is a terrific moral scandal and a stumbling block to traditional Catholicism.  Sentimental people are easy to get money out of.  That might be the entire purpose of the thread.  I noticed a few people wrote "I'll send more money, just don't shut it down!"

    As I mentioned earlier, some people will plead to keep the main site up because of it's catechetical value.  While I've never found anything objectionable on the FE main site, I've also found nothing on there that can't be found somewhere else.  In other words, the only real benefit to the main site is that it is very well organized.  It may be a worthwhile venture for some actual traditional Catholics to undertake a similar project in organizing that type of material.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 23, 2013, 06:04:24 AM »
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  • It is simply my personal experience and opinion so I am sure others have differing perspectives, but I found Jayne to be exceptionally uncharitable. Too often accusations of heresy and schism are aimed at people she disagrees with. Even if she is right and the other person is clearly incorrect, her way of correction is fierce and can do much damage to the fragile faith of new comers. Often in threads, she seems very determined to make it about herself, or simply hijacks a thread, shouting down dissenting voices.  :drillsergeant:

    Perhaps FE could benefit from a retired priest as moderator?  This way charity and censure can be doled out from the perspective of one who genuinely wants to save souls.  :incense:
    I would be sad to see it go. It is good to know that traditional catholics are just normal people with normal neurosis and frailties. Sometimes, New converts forget that wrapped up in the perfection, order and solemnity of the mass, there are still imperfect human beings.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 06:10:57 AM »
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  • FE deserves JayneK to be moderator.
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