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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Matthew on January 13, 2007, 03:38:50 PM
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The thread had about 550+ views last time I checked (that's a good number of people that at least know what happened -- that I didn't go and delete myself "in a huff")
Several people defended me, most of whom are members on Cathinfo.
At any rate, it seems like the embarassment (backlash?) at Fisheaters was too much -- the thread was deleted.
Matthew
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Yeah, I was about to write another response defending you and begging Vox to take you back, but when I hit "Post Message", it said that I did not have permission to respond. At first I was afraid that I had been censored, but as it turned out, the thread had been deleted. Oh well.
Perhaps I will PM Vox in an attempt to get her to reconsider her decision.
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Yeah, I was about to write another response defending you and begging Vox to take you back, but when I hit "Post Message", it said that I did not have permission to respond. At first I was afraid that I had been censored, but as it turned out, the thread had been deleted. Oh well.
Perhaps I will PM Vox in an attempt to get her to reconsider her decision.
I would just let it go at this point. People of good will can see the sitatution for what it is.
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Matthew, you weren't even warned, were you? I would have thought so because Vox wouldn't even name the posters who objected to your "arrogance and disruptiveness." As miserere pointed out, you were to be warned 3 times before they would boot you out of the forum. I don't know Vox's motives here, but her explanation is quite a bit lacking in substance.
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I think we should all pray for Vox. Perhaps she is going through a tough time, spiritually or temporally, that we are not aware of, which could be part of the reason for all this. :pray:
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I agree with John -- I'm willing to let it go at this point.
Obviously Vox was not willing to mention who was complaining (if, in fact, anyone was complaining) so it's certainly a dead-end there. She didn't seem very open about the reasons, (and let's face it, there was plenty of evidence contrary to her stated reason) and now the thread discussing the matter has been deleted.
SOMEONE doesn't want me on Fisheaters, and I'm not surprised. I fit in much better with many EX-Fisheaters members, than with the current Fisheaters membership. Hmm.
I think I should just move on, and have all the good discussions right here at Cathinfo.com.
God bless,
Matthew
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I must say and I do not mean to beat a dead horse but I found the reasons given for deleting your membership rather perplexing. Your posts were always reasonable and charitable. Although all of us in general wish to be Traditional Catholics the difference consists in what it means to effectively live this ideal out in the modern world. Anyway, life goes on.
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There are those among us who would not consider her a trad because she attends Indult, and someone even told me she attended... Novus Ordo! But I'm not sure if thats completely true.
Regardless, we should pray for her and the trads in general!
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The thread had been moved to "Pig Roast: Mingle and Eat Cooked Pig".
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=1630044
So it's still there!
Clare.
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Well, just for clarification, I didn't just say it was deleted when it wasn't.
I did a search for all posts by "truth" and it came up 0.
(I know what a lot of you are thinking -- :laugh2:)
No, I mean -- literally -- posts by the user 'truth' which I set up to post just that one message. "Truth" wasn't taken yet (surprise!).
Now it appears in the Pig Roast forum -- that's fine. I didn't know which subforum to put the post in, anyhow.
I just want was many people on FE as possible (preferably all of them) to know the situation. It can only help. I don't want people to think I got upset and said, "Well that's fine...I quit!" in a fit of anger. When a person deletes his account, you never know.
I don't see a need for a "winner" either -- I just want people to know the truth, including the truth about this incident.
Matthew
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Tim --
No, anyone open to being a good (serious) Catholic and finding the truth is welcome here.
I very much want this to be an open board -- that's why I don't have censorship. I want people to feel free to post on here.
Now I'm sure that some "shallow" types wouldn't enjoy this board, but that's another story. I wouldn't actually send anyone away.
As for the quote in question, I would say rather that we need to pray "for Catholics in general", not just self-professed trads. Really, in the final account, any Catholic worthy of the name is "traditional". By that I mean that the Catholic Faith is traditional by nature. It was passed down from Bishop to Bishop, from the time of the Apostles, under the visible headship of the Roman Pontiff. If a Catholic paid no heed to Tradition, he wouldn't be much of a Catholic!
Also, IF Vox attends the Novus Ordo, that is not why I have any issue with her forum. I am more concerned with the attitude that "not committing mortal sin? check. You're good to go. Do as you will!" and ignoring the fact that many behaviors/customs of the modern world have a VERY adverse effect on the Faith and morals of Catholics.
God bless,
Matthew
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There are those among us who would not consider her a trad because she attends Indult, and someone even told me she attended... Novus Ordo! But I'm not sure if thats completely true.
Regardless, we should pray for her and the trads in general!
Regardless of whatever other issues I may have with her or FE, I think this statement of yours is totally based on hearsay and should not have even been stated. If you are not sure it is completely true, better not to say it. That's a sin of ruining a person's good name, and you are obliged in justice to restore that person's good name as much as it is in your power to do so.
Let's not give this forum a bad name by such reckless behavior, Campy. You can be sure that saying things like this get back to the people you are backbiting. Try to see Christ in everyone, even those you perceive to be your enemy.
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Yes, that is very true.
I think that we should try our best to move on and not worry about what they do at FE.
Fisheaters is not the sole resource for Catholic discussion -- that should be sufficient for us. It is obvious that many good topics would be censored/modded there, so here we are on Cathinfo!
God bless,
Matthew
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The rumor came from a friend who talks with a mod on FE. I did not post it out of some grudge, I posted it because it made sense to me.
I don't hate Vox, or anyone for that matter. Can't have room for hate.
Tim, while I can't agree with your attendance of the Novus Ordo, I don't think you should leave this forum.
I'm hoping, in fact that people voice their opinions more often, no matter how much they feel it will offend someone. Just as long as they are honest and are willing to prove their opponents are wrong or be proven wrong themselves.
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Hey, Matthew, your thread wasn't actually deleted. It was moved to the Pig Roast forum. Here is the thread in question:
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=1630044 (http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=1630044)
Good news is that at least 1000 people have viewed it.
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So, it was deleted, and then put back into a different subforum. Am I correct Chant?
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Yes, it was.
It was deleted at one point, because I did a search for it. Then somehow it came back from the dead.
Matthew
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Yes, it was.
It was deleted at one point, because I did a search for it. Then somehow it came back from the dead.
Matthew
Perhaps you clicked on search at the very moment it was being moved! And it was in limbo at that point!
Clare.
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Vox explained more her actions, saying that because of several threads that Matthew (ChantCd) participated in, that there was quite a bit of flak, and she thought that he knew he was in hot water. I'll try to find out more, since I don't know what recent threads you participated in, Matthew.
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This is similiar to what they did to Gladius. Never where there two more charitable defenders of the truth than Gladius and Matthew. Now, the simple fact is that the truth resonates with some and makes them uncomfortable. It means that there must be changes in lifestyles. There lies the rub. It is far easier to lash out at the messenger rather than examine your life. It must be understood that so many simply do not know or have never heard the words of Truth as taught by Holy Mother the Church for 1,965 years. Certainly not the lay people and sad to say now atlest three to four generations of priests. Take heart Matthew, Bishop Williamson is getting roasted on FE again.
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Here is what Vox posted as her last post on your thread, Matthew:
ONCE AND FOR ALL: ChantCD's banning had nothing -- that is nada, niente, rien, zilch -- to do with the thread everyone keeps going back to. I did not read the thread and go ban him for it. Get it? Got it? Good! I very clearly stated the reasons for the ban. Those are the reasons.
This thread will not turn into a bash-someone-else thread. It simply will not. Comments about ChantCD would not have been allowed either if he, himself, had not initiated this thread and demanded a public explanation for the ban.
Also, by the way, "we" do not bash AQ or Phatmass at the forum; some posters have, and I ask people to lay off (if I see it). I don't see the need for bashing other Catholics myself as it makes enemies for no gain, comes off as bitter and mean, is divisive, and doesn't serve Christ or His Tradition. I'd rather focus mostly on the positive around here and not dwell too long or unnecessarily on what non-trads or trads-with-different-styles than I might be doing. Trad X doesn't like my "style" or doesn't even consider me a trad? Fine. He can do what he wants in his forum, but not in mine. And vice versa. Meanwhile, let's try to be a little kind. So, I am closing and locking this thread. If ChantCD or Carole want to make a rebuttal to anything written above in order to defend themselves, I will post it (mail me). I wish both peace.