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Offline Christopher67

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Father Kramer
« on: May 17, 2014, 08:24:37 PM »
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  • "Recently someone posted a comment on one of my threads claiming that the infallible dogma of faith which defines that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church is false. I am unable to find it. Redemption for the human race is exclusively through the merits of Jesus Christ. The fruits of redemption are gained exclusively by means of the Catholic faith and the sacraments of Jesus Christ. Consequetly it is only by these supernatural means of salvation that one can be saved; and hence, there is no salvation outside the Church. Either the dogma is infallible, or else their is not the Holy Ghost indwelling in the Church to protect it from error; which would mean that the Church has defected, rendering null & void Christ's promise that the gates of hell will never prevail against it. Absit!"


    Offline Ambrose

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    Father Kramer
    « Reply #1 on: May 17, 2014, 10:42:01 PM »
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  • Here is another great post by Fr. Kramer:

    Posted on Facebook, April 27, 2014

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    TO ALL FEENEYITES:

    Your disagreement with the infallibly defined doctrine of Baptism of Desire is as irrational as it is heretical. You have no excuse: Justification takes place by the laver of regeneration or the desire of it ("aut ejus voto"). The doctrine is interpreted in that sense officially in the Roman Catechism. The doctrine of baptism by "votum" is explained in the Roman Catechism by authotity of the pope who presided over the latter sessions of the Council of Trent and formulated by the most eminent Council Fathers of Trent, namely, St. Charles Borromeo. Do you disagree with their undertanding of the expression "aut ejus voto" -- of them who formulated and ratified the Decree on Justification? Do you disagree with all the popes and doctors who understood the Decree as clearly teaching Baptism of Desire? Are you aware that Vatican I defined under penalty of «anathema» that you must understand the dogmas as the Church has understood and understands them? The Church has always understood and understands the dogma in question to mean "without the laver of regeneration or the desire of it" The Church has always understood and transmitted the clearly expressed doctrine of the Decree on Justification that those who die justified and sanctified by baptism "or the desire of it" inherit eternal life -- yet you disagree with the constant teaching of the Church on this point of dogma. Are you aware that just because the word «aut» can sometimes mean "and" as well as "or" is absolutely of no consequence here? The term "votum" is always employed in reference to the fulfillment of some future deed or duty, and therefore cannot be correctly translated in this context as "the laver of regeneration and the desire of it"; as if one being baptized at present could absurdly have the simultaneous desire to receive it at some time in the future. Your disagrerment is a direct denial of an infallibly defined teaching of the Council of Trent, and of the infallible teaching of the ordinary magisterium. By your obstinate denial of the defined dogma, you place yourself under the «anathema» (Canon 33 Decree on Justification) and outside the Church.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic