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  • I gave up popcorn for Lent.  


    But there is more.  

    There is a video series now where Fr. Gruner discusses details of this election
    and things that led up to it.  It's from Fatima TV.  I recommend it.

    Part One is a conversation with John Vennari where Fr. and Mr. Vennari go
    into some pretty fascinating aspects of history and recent books and news
    articles.




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    « Reply #2 on: March 16, 2013, 06:21:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

    There is a video series now where Fr. Gruner discusses details of this election
    and things that led up to it.  It's from Fatima TV.  I recommend it.

    Part One is a conversation with John Vennari where Fr. and Mr. Vennari go
    into some pretty fascinating aspects of history and recent books and news
    articles.



    You might want to view this Part One two times.  At the end, around minute
    16, they touch on some things that have an effect on the earlier minutes.
    For example, they say that there has been a lot of corruption in the Vatican.
    This is why Pope Benedict's butler turned over those personal letters in the
    Vatileaks situation, because he said, the corruption is so bad that not even
    the Pope is aware of some of it.  

    They say that it has been the Cardinal Secretary of State that has been
    acting as an obstructionist to papal reforms, and this goes back to the
    first one after Vatican II, Cardinal Cassaroli, under Paul VI.  JPII replaced
    him with Cardinal Sodano, who did no better, in fact in some regards
    worse than Cassaroli.  Then after him came Cardinal Bertone, who again
    was no great improvement, even though getting Sodano out was a relief for
    some of the Faithful.  

    They have not mentioned the current state of affairs, when the election of
    a new pope generally entails the replacement of all the curia, such that a
    new person should be taking the place of Cardinal Bertone soon, and
    Bertone should have tendered his resignation already, but has he?  

    Then they say that these principles have a direct bearing on the Fatima
    situation, because it has been the Secretary of State that has been the one
    principally blocking the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate
    Heart of Mary.  For example, in 1984, when JPII came very close to doing
    it (although once again, it was not with the corroborration of the world's
    bishops) Fr. Gruner says that JPII got to the point of the specific words he
    was to use, and he asked his curia if it would be a good idea to use the
    word "Russia" in his prayer, and right away, his advisors said, "No, no, Holy
    Father!  Do not use the word 'Russia' because the Russian Orthodox would
    be offended!"  And at the time, JPII told the world twice on the same day,
    that he had not done it that day as Our Lady had requested, for she is still
    waiting the Consecration.

    In the first video above, Chris Ferrara describes the lawyer's outlook on
    the use of the word Russia, by saying that the enemies of Fatima have
    proven that "RUSSIA" is important, because when they are asked, "Well, if
    it is as you claim, that whether the Pope mentions 'Russia' or not in
    the Consecration is NOT important, then why is it that they haven't
    used it?" The reason is, obviously, they haven't used "Russia" because
    using "Russia" IS important, and the enemies of Fatima know this, which
    is why they have risen to the obstruction of the Pope's mention of Russia.

    The curia, and other officials in the Church's highest offices have been
    called "wolves," even by Benedict XVI, when he mentioned this even
    before his election in 2005.  We can most reasonably interpret this as
    meaning "wolves in sheep's clothing" who are devouring the souls of the
    Faithful.  And it is this pack of wolves, or at least a portion of them, who
    have convened for the election of a new pope.  

    Fr. Gruner answers the canard that whoever is elected pope should never
    resign because it is the will of the Holy Ghost that he was elected, and no
    man has the right to say "no" to the Holy Ghost.  He says that there are
    3 ways it can be the will of the Holy Ghost.  First, the election of a particular
    man may be the positive will of the Holy Ghost, that this is the man who
    God has prepared from eternity to guide the Church at this time.  Second,
    the Holy Ghost may simply ALLOW a man to become pope, even if he is
    not the best one for the job.  And third, the Holy Ghost may allow even the
    worst possible choice for pope to be elected because He is giving the
    Church a chastisement due to the sins of the Faithful.  

    Fr. retells the story that some time after his election Benedict XVI went to
    the tomb of Pope Celestine who had resigned 600 years ago.  He had also
    visited the prison where Celestine had been confined by his successor and
    where he had died.  Benedict removed his pallium, which is a special
    vestment only the cardinals wear on the Feast of Sts. Peter and Paul, made
    of lambs wool on July 21st for this special Feast day, and he placed his
    pallium at Celestine's tomb.  That was a symbolic act that should have told
    us back then, that Benedict was thinking of resigning himself, for he did
    in fact do so, a few years later.  

    Fr. Gruner goes into an explanation of what had happend 600 years ago.  He
    says that the conclave had been unable to elect a pope for 2 years, and this
    lone hermit wrote a scathing letter to them telling them that they should
    do their duty and elect a pope.  So the conclave then elected the hermit!  
    They came to his cell, and took him out under his protest, to the Vatican,
    where they elected him, and he reluctantly accepted, but after only 6
    months when it had become clear that he had no qualifications for the job
    and was unable to fulfill its duties, he resigned.  But then his successor
    had him imprisoned to make sure that there would be no confusion among
    the Faithful as to who was truly Pope, as was the case in the Great Western
    Schism when 3 different men had simultaneously been claiming to be Pope,
    with many Faithful following each of the 3.

    In a conversation I had with a friend (this is not on the video) we noted that
    nobody has been able to peg anything "Peter" about Pope Francis, and that
    therefore he cannot be thought of as "Peter the Roman" as the prophsy of
    St. Malachy has as the last pope mentioned.  All the popes before Peter the
    Roman can be explained, up to Benedict XVI.  But Francis cannot be
    explained.  My friend is a sede.  He says that since Bergoglio was ordainded
    a priest in December of 1969, the ordination rite had already been replaced
    with an invalid one, and therefore the See of Peter is being claimed by an
    imposter who is not even a priest, let alone a bishop.  And this is how the
    prophesy of St. Malachy yet stands, for Peter the Roman has still not been
    elected.  Benedict XVI was ordained priest before the change, so he was at
    least a priest, my friend says, but he was not a bishop for he was consecrated
    after the invalid rite replaced the bishop's consecration formula.  I asked him
    then how could Benedict XVI be a fulfillment of Malachy's prophesy as "the
    glory of the olive" (since olive trees are part of the Benedictine symbol) if he
    was not really a bishop?  He has no answer for that.


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    « Reply #3 on: March 16, 2013, 12:40:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

    There is a video series now where Fr. Gruner discusses details of this election
    and things that led up to it.  It's from Fatima TV.  I recommend it.

    Part One is a conversation with John Vennari where Fr. and Mr. Vennari go
    into some pretty fascinating aspects of history and recent books and news
    articles.



    Part Two is the same setting in more detail.  

    These first two parts were recorded before the conclave reached a decision
    on March 5th.

    Fr. begins by touching on details of Pope Celestine's abdication 600 years ago.
    He wanted to go back to his monastery and live in obscurity, but his successor
    denied him that, by putting him into a kind of "prison," but it was more like
    a house arrest like they did to Galileo, a comfortable place to live where his
    meals were provided and he could spend his time in prayer (but Galileo
    probably didn't pray much).  Celestine was okay with this, being in obscurity,
    because after all, he was a hermit.

    The problem of having a living ex-pope around when there is a new pope is,
    that when the new pope makes a judgment that is unpopular, there are
    going to be people going to the ex-pope asking him what he would have done
    in this situation.  Also, the Vatican had said that there would be no way to
    provide "security" for two popes at the same time.  (We saw this handled in
    February on the 28th, when the Swiss Guard turned over control to the
    Italian national security at Castel Gondolfo moments after 8:00 pm, so now
    there is no more security for Pope Emeritus provided by the Vatican.  Once
    again, what will happen in the summer when the new Pope arrives at
    Castel Gondolfo?  Will the two, Pope and Pope Emeritus, occupy different
    extreme parts of the property?  It has over 100 acres of land.)

    At the time of this recording they did not know what we are going to call
    Benedict, and they were under the impression that he would occupy an
    apartment inside the Vatican.  (Now we know, that he is asking to be called
    "Pope Emeritus" and that he is living not in the Vatican but at Castel
    Gondolfo.  Furthermore, we have to wonder now, what is going to happen
    when Pope Francis goes to Castel Gondolfo this summer, as the Pope always
    does when it gets too hot in Rome - or, will he not do that this summer?)

    They mention (minute 4) the ligtening bolt that hit the top of the dome at St. Peter's
    Basilica, and Fr. says they have a system built in to prevent that from
    happening, but here it happened anyway.  (This makes one wonder: perhaps
    lightening striking the dome is very rare.)  The next day there was "4 point
    earthquake centered at the place where Celestine was imprisoned."

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    They have not mentioned the current state of affairs, when the election of
    a new pope generally entails the replacement of all the curia, such that a
    new person should be taking the place of Cardinal Bertone soon, and
    Bertone should have tendered his resignation already, but has he?


    In Part Two they take up this question, (minute 6) saying that the curia all
    loses their authority the moment a pope dies or otherwise leaves office.  Fr.
    Gruner explains that he knows a German priest who had asked Benedict XVI
    why he doesn't remove Bertone from his position of Secretary of State since
    he's obviously incompetent for the post, and Benedict would not make that
    decision.  (9:30)

    Mr. Vennari (8:40) quotes someone who says that men in positions of power
    do not easily give up that position.  The natural tendency is to hang on.

    (One is left with the impression that Bertone's placement carried with it some
    kind of threat to the Pope or whatever.)

    At minute 21 they discuss the question of papal authority, and that since
    Vat.II the public has an increasing impression that the pope can change
    anything he wants, because there have been so many ostensibly practical
    changes in the liturgy and sacramental forms, etc.  The effect of the
    Assisi gatherings is mentioned, that since modern popes are doing things
    that their predecessors had never dreamed of is that perhaps this conclave
    will give us a pope who will institute a lot more changes.

    (Minute 11) Beware of the news media!  They chime in with their opinionated
    prestige without any knowledge of the Church, and they only expose their
    ignorance by what they say.

    Fr. Gruner quoted canon 13 of session 7 of Trent where it says not even
    the pope has the authority to change the liturgy (such as the Newmass).

    (Minute 16) People today are under the false impression that the law can
    be changed to redefine what is moral and what is not, so long as the
    "legislative process" is followed.

    (23:00 - 25:00) The world is an image-centered reality and people get the
    impression that it doesn't matter what religion you belong to, since they
    see the pope on the same level as other leaders, of false religions.

    Fr. Gruner explains how Pope Paul VI did not change the law of the Church
    regarding communion on the hand.  This is the last statement of the video.  
    He says he had gone to Rome asking this question and they would not give
    him an answer, so he went into the Vatican archives and looked it up himself,
    and found a docuмent in French where it says there are 7 conditions two
    principles that must be met for a priest to give communion in the hand, and
    this docuмent is one that he expects that most priests, bishops and cardinals
    of the world know nothing about, because they have not gone to research it,
    and the popular impression of the law having been changed is what the
    Modernists rely on to enforce the practice of communion in the hand
    worldwide.  

    (Communion in the hand was the issue over which Fr. Frederick Schell was
    expelled from the diocese by his bishop in 1973, approximately - that is not
    mentioned in the video).


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    « Reply #4 on: March 16, 2013, 01:28:31 PM »
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  • Part III

    I just wrote a post covering part III but Explorer famously changed my
    submission to an edit of a previous post (which is was not) and thereby lost
    the whole thing.  I'm not doing that over again..


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    Fatima Today 2013 Conclave Edition with your Host Father Nicholas Gruner with his special guest John Vennari from Catholic Family News. (Part 3)

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    sammy1214 16 hours ago

    In the prophecy doesnt it also say we need to observe the first five saturdays? Both the consecration and the observance of the first 5 saturdays right? So what if it is not the consecration but the latter that needs to be done to avoid these things?
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    shanenjanepiper 4 days ago

    Thank you Father Gruner. May I suggest we pray to St Joseph as this is his month and patron St of Fathers for the election of a Holy Father Pope. God Bless you.
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    Alphonsus Jr. 1 week ago

    Each are so very enthusiastic that they keep interrupting each other. These interruptions are hard to bear.
    As for the content, good discussion.
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    LeicherHistory 1 week ago

    Thank you Father Gruner and John Vennari for these videos. You are true spiritual warriors for Our Lady. I pray that the Holy Spirit fill you with the graces necessary to continue this labour of Love. :-) Also for everybody who works for the Fatima Center.
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    I made notes on various parts of the video but they were all lost by stupid
    Internet Explorer, piece of trash.





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    « Reply #5 on: March 17, 2013, 11:24:14 AM »
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  • I have been listening to the series.  They are very good.

    I stumbled upon this talk by John Salsa.  It is most excellent.