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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Elizabeth on June 17, 2011, 08:14:10 PM
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Don't make me lurk at Fisheater's for the rest of it! :laugh2:
I was taken in by Ken Roberts many years ago. He was an outrageously funny speaker who liked young men.
He's been the author of From Playboy to Priest
I've been more and more wary of Catholics who seek attention these days.
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OK, off to FE to lurk.
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That was 2 minutes I waited for a response! :laugh1:
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I've been more and more wary of Catholics who seek attention these days.
This is what I'm worried about. I know he is in a tough position, I'm just uneasy. I wonder if it's the move that a truly humble priest would make. It's definitely more glamorous than suffering out a few quiet years out of public view and I think that's the part that scares me for him. If maybe he's addicted to his celebrity. Maybe it is God's plan for him and he is doing it in all humility and I'm being too hasty in my judgment. I don't know.
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Wow, he has a Youtube blacksheepdog speech. :shocked:
It does not serve the faithful well, except the types who view the Holy Priesthood as a good job.
It's all over at FE. Someone even called him a saint...
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That's what happens when you are shackled by the novus ordo pseudo religion.
http://theblacksheepdog.us/
In case you are curious.
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Thanks. I know a few NO priests who have suffered in a humble, Catholic manner injustices heaped on them.
Corapi voices contempt for the whole process. In earlier times it is unlikely that he would have been considered a good candidate for the priesthoood in the first place.
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I really hope that Father Corapi gets himself out of this mess somehow.
I really like his deep voice. Mine is almost (or just as much, I can't really tell sometimes) as deep as his. Sometimes, I practice saying "Hi, I'm Father John Corapi and uh..." in the mirror! Ok, yes, I know I'm not Father Corapi, but it can't hurt to believe can it? :heretic:
Ok well, Father Corapi has to have good advice, even if he is a bit of a "celebrity priest". I listened to some audio files he had of the Rosary, and found those to be helpful at the time.
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Edit: Double post :tinfoil:
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Daegus, He has gotten himself out of his mess.
It's all about him.
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If he is innocent he should stay and fight. Padre Pio couldn't hear confessions for 11 years! He didn't quit. The way he just up and resigns is troubling.
:shocked:
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Wish I knew how to bring interesting posts from FE here. Even Matt Abbot is not impressed by the drama.
I was never impressed by the $50.00 admission fees to hear him speak or the Anton LeVey affectation.
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I was never impressed by the $50.00 admission fees to hear him speak or the Anton LeVey affectation.
Wait.... what... did I read this right? :thinking:
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This is a shame and travesty. I very much enjoyed listening to Fr. Corapi in my Neo-Cath days. He was very conservative and would have made a fine Trad priest if he had chosen to go that route.
As for the YouTube speech, the logic is schizophrenic. He says the process is fatally flawed and he is unjustly being thrown out like yesterday's trash and assumed guilty. On the other hand he probably deserves it anyway (even though he is innocent) and the Bishops have the "right" to make any decision they see fit.
This goes back to the flawed Neo-Cath version of blind obedience. Are Catholic bishops absolute despot/ dictators? Is there absolutely ZERO moral recourse for a soul if they have been flat out wronged by a Bishop and/ or the system? He says he did not want to fight because he'd be in a confrontational situation with "the Church" yet he says the Bishop of Corpus Christi, due to pressure from "other bishops" forced his superiors to investigate him or else the Bishop would release libelous letters publicly!!!
So, on the one hand, he seemingly accuses the Corpus Christi bishop of blackmailing his superiors, yet he doesn't want to be in a "confrontational relationship" so he'll just resign? Does he realize what he's saying? If this is truly the case, he has a right out of justice to clear his name and any responsibility for confrontation would be on the Churchmen who are forcing the issue.
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I was never impressed by the $50.00 admission fees to hear him speak or the Anton LeVey affectation.
Wait.... what... did I read this right? :thinking:
The $50 or the unhappy public image?
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Anything the Fishies say on this issue is guaranteed to be either wrong, insipid, vapid, juvenile, or inane. No desire to hear their posts here.
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or the Anton LeVey affectation.
Say what!! :shocked: :scared2:
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Anything the Fishies say on this issue is guaranteed to be either wrong, insipid, vapid, juvenile, or inane. No desire to hear their posts here.
Thats true of most things the "Fishies" say Stevus.
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http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/
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Anything the Fishies say on this issue is guaranteed to be either wrong, insipid, vapid, juvenile, or inane. No desire to hear their posts here.
Thats true of most things the "Fishies" say Stevus.
Very true! :laugh1:
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The $50 or the unhappy public image?
or the Anton LeVey affectation.
THAT!
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I don't know how to imbed pics-it has been often pointed out, how he had dyed his goatee, the shaved head. There have been side-by-side comparisons BUT
I am so sorry, BTW. I should not have brought it up. I think his words on the subject of his suspension do the job.
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He DOES look a bit like Anton LaVey...
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He DOES look a bit like Anton LaVey...
To go from a gray beard to a dyed goatee and a completely shaved head is a bit peculiar for a priest.
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I looked up a few comparison pictures...it's a little scary indeed. I was fully expecting it to be something people are blowing out of proportion, but it is quite drastic. Time will tell where this is going I guess.
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The tolerant fishies are now drawing conclusions based on the fact that Fr. Corapi shaved his head and dyed his beard over the years? Guilt by beard dye?
How does this prove any of the charges against the man?
In a court of law this wouldn't even be considered in as evidence it is so ludicrous.
The most you could say is that it might be unusual or odd for a priest, I suppose. However, one could hardly draw any conclusions about his guilt from it.
What I find much more strange is why he is not fighting this to the end if he is innocent.
ABL begged for a canonical trial but they would not grant him one. He did all he could to appeal his case through canonical channels.
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Father Corapi was never a fan of the Latin Mass in the beginning , but recently i heard some new tapes of his done recently and he sounded more zealous and more political, i wonder if someone was giving him information and the traditional way of Catholicism, I know even the Novus Ordo gang wasnt happy with him. He recently filled 20,000 seats in the Buffalo arena. Well we will see now that he plans on being a public "layman" I m guessing he'll be on FOX news one day. I hope he goes on Coast to Coast that would be interesting.
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At this point it does not matter to me about Guilt.
We do not know what the accusation consists of.
We do know the resume of this man before he was ordained a priest, and it is safe to say that he had not lived a holy life and answered God's call in the traditional manner.
Every priest I have personally encountered who makes much of themselves in sermons has ended up with problems.
Corapi, like all Catholic priests, is supposed to draw people to Our Lord, not to himself.
Fame and fortune are not good for anyone, especially not recovering cocaine addicts.
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Father Corapi was never a fan of the Latin Mass in the beginning , but recently i heard some new tapes of his done recently and he sounded more zealous and more political, i wonder if someone was giving him information and the traditional way of Catholicism, I know even the Novus Ordo gang wasnt happy with him. He recently filled 20,000 seats in the Buffalo arena. Well we will see now that he plans on being a public "layman" I m guessing he'll be on FOX news one day. I hope he goes on Coast to Coast that would be interesting.
Hi Salus, I would be much more moved to love if he filled 20,000 kneelers in Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus before the Blessed Sacrament. Free admission.
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He DOES look a bit like Anton LaVey...
To go from a gray beard to a dyed goatee and a completely shaved head is a bit peculiar for a priest.
Agreed. When I asked my son, who is a Byzantine priest, what he thought about the latest chapter in the Fr, Corapi saga, he said, "Well, maybe now he can be an actor full time."
Hey, Telesphorus, it seems we actually agree on something. :smirk:
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This is what happens when you're an NO priest, you just can't receive the necessary graces from the Novus Ordo. I'll be praying for Father Corapi. Of course, I don't understand why he stepped down. He knows the girl that claimed to have an affair with him is a phsyco-path narcisist who was only looking to get revenge on him for firing her.
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This is what happens when you're an NO priest, you just can't receive the necessary graces from the Novus Ordo. I'll be praying for Father Corapi. Of course, I don't understand why he stepped down. He knows the girl that claimed to have an affair with him is a phsyco-path narcisist who was only looking to get revenge on him for firing her.
Wait a second, how did you find out what the claim against him was, and where did you see who was involved?
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When I asked my son, who is a Byzantine priest, what he thought about the latest chapter in the Fr, Corapi saga, he said, "Well, maybe now he can be an actor full time."
I take it the deep baritone theatrics failed to impress your boy.
There seems no way that the LaVey look could be accidental. Or, since Corapi is a player in hauling in lots of money--somewhere, some time, an alert person would have pointed out the obvious similarity of style. The look was not by accident, it was by design.
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Here is the pictures showing how much Fr Corapi looks like anton Levay.
http://fumare.blogspot.com/2010/10/whats-going-on-with-fr-corapi.html
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Actually, listen to it again.
I think Fr. C is saying the church process can't go forward until he
gives up his rights to pursue charges against the alleged victims in
the secular courts (possibly for defamation, etc) and other secular
rights. Since his lawyers advise against giving these rights up and
the canonical investigation won't proceed unless he does it, they are
at a stalemate and he'll be suspended indefinitely. That's why I think
he's saying to heck with it and trying to move on. In his view it is
that or perpetual suspension in limbo, since he's not giving up his
secular rights. If that is the case, I wouldn't either. It leaves him
wide open while the accusers keep all of their rights.
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When I asked my son, who is a Byzantine priest, what he thought about the latest chapter in the Fr, Corapi saga, he said, "Well, maybe now he can be an actor full time."
I take it the deep baritone theatrics failed to impress your boy.
There seems no way that the LaVey look could be accidental. Or, since Corapi is a player in hauling in lots of money--somewhere, some time, an alert person would have pointed out the obvious similarity of style. The look was not by accident, it was by design.
Indeed they do.
I don't know that they similarity was intentional. I don't even know if Fr. Corapi knows who Anton LaVey was. But the resemblance is striking.
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When I asked my son, who is a Byzantine priest, what he thought about the latest chapter in the Fr, Corapi saga, he said, "Well, maybe now he can be an actor full time."
I take it the deep baritone theatrics failed to impress your boy.
There seems no way that the LaVey look could be accidental. Or, since Corapi is a player in hauling in lots of money--somewhere, some time, an alert person would have pointed out the obvious similarity of style. The look was not by accident, it was by design.
I doubt he's trying to look like LaVey anymore than he's trying to look like Lenin.
He's always played up the reformed "bad boy" angle of his personality.
He's crazy, as a priest, to dye his beard and totally shave his head
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This is what happens when you're an NO priest, you just can't receive the necessary graces from the Novus Ordo. I'll be praying for Father Corapi. Of course, I don't understand why he stepped down. He knows the girl that claimed to have an affair with him is a phsyco-path narcisist who was only looking to get revenge on him for firing her.
Wait a second, how did you find out what the claim against him was, and where did you see who was involved?
Some girl said she had an affair with him. Corapi said the girl wanted him to step down.
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You two, Sigusmund and Tele are right. I can't know if he knows who Anton LaVey is.
But we also know nothing about what led to the disciplinary action against John Corapi.
Stevus, do you know what the accusations are? The issue is sealed as far as I know.
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Here is some background...
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101226.htm
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Here is some background...
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101226.htm
Mmm. Major vagueness and many fat bank accounts and being owner of a media company, die hard fans of a star speaker...
But thank you very much for this.
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You two, Sigusmund and Tele are right. I can't know if he knows who Anton LaVey is.
I'm sure he does.
That doesn't mean he's trying to look like him.
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Anything the Fishies say on this issue is guaranteed to be either wrong, insipid, vapid, juvenile, or inane. No desire to hear their posts here.
ANYTHING? Gee, no axe to grind here... :scratchchin:
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GV,
If you want to sift through the FE pile of manure to find hidden gems of insight on this, be my guest. I'm sure Lua has it all figured out.
Just please keep those nuggets to yourself. :wink:
Have a good one.
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If you want to sift through the FE pile of manure to find hidden gems of insight on this, be my guest.
LOL! I have no intention of doing so, stevie. Your blanket condemnation was simply unjust, that is all.
I'm sure Lua has it all figured out.
Classic! :laugh2: Am I supposed to classify this little quip as a gem or manure?
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It's called hyperbole (but not by much). Did you get your degree from the Fundie School of literalism? It would explain a lot re your views on the Papacy. :laugh1:
But seriously, I'm sure Lua can give you the feminist take on this issue. You should post some congratulatory messages on her blog.
Or simply re-register at FE as "ILuvLua" and imbibe the genius they are dealing on this issue right now.
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Or simply re-register at FE as "ILuvLua" and imbibe the genius they are dealing on this issue right now.
Damn, you're like the king of advice for wanna-be lovers, man...you should quit your day job (do you really have one?) and start writing a column or something...
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But seriously, I'm sure Lua can give you the feminist take on this issue...
I imagine you could give me the feminist take, too. It just takes a little imagination ;)
As for Lua's being a feminist, although I have only read a little bit of her stuff, the charge doesn't stick, IMO.
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GV,
If you want to sift through the FE pile of manure to find hidden gems of insight on this, be my guest.
Have a good one.
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Former Bishop of Corpus Christi on Fr. Corapi
http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/
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The [trademarked]Black Sheep Dog has a new statement.
I find the comments by Adam West from Fisheaters interesting on this subject.
Also, it appears that John Corapi didn't say Mass often or offer Sacraments much at all over his 20-year career.
He still has a hard-core group of fans, which may be due to an understandable backlash by the majority of people who despise effeminate priests.
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How can they show he didn't offer the sacraments "much" over 20 years?
These people need to be careful they are not calumniating or detracting the man.
What has the man been proven guilty of? Nothing.
He was in a catch 22. "Give up your civil rights or this star chamber canonical process (by which you are guilty until proven innocent) cannot go forward. You will be suspended in the meantime."
Read the link I posted. Far from giving up his legal rights he may very well sue his accusers ( if he ever is allowed to figure out who they are).
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He knows who it is and says he has tapes of phone messages (calls) which prove her lack of credibility. It is a former business partner of his media company.
I should really get links about the lack of sacraments (he had no jurisdiction), but for me his recorded statements say it all.
I also believe he had impediments to the priesthood in the first place.
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Liz,
Those are serious claims! And even if true, why do we need to know them?
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Fr. Corapi has made it all public himself. He has made recordings about his suspension, the Black Sheep Dog talks.
No calumny from me. He has many talks about his lifestyle before his conversion.
It is not detraction to state that his former lifestyle would be an impediment to the priesthood.
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Here is something to begin with, Stevus. You do realise he quit the priesthood, right? Some of the legal problems are addressed in this article:
http://www.ncregister.com/father-corapis-bombshell.html
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On his blog, Corapi is calling himself "black sheep dog". I wonder if he's been dabbling in some satanic stuff...
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SS, I THINK he owns some big dogs at his Montana ranch...in any case, questions about him having trademarked the nickname in 2010 before he quit the priesthood are being asked.
I think it is creepy and suggestive of the occult also, but I'm sure his die hard fans love the Black Sheep Dog thing.
His trademarked BSD image is hardly Catholic looking.
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Fr Corapi lied about military service
http://markshea.blogspot.com/2011/06/gaping-hole-in-fr-corapis-story.html
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Fr Corapi lied about military service
http://markshea.blogspot.com/2011/06/gaping-hole-in-fr-corapis-story.html
:shocked:
Nothing seems to add up except the millions of dollars.
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How can they show he didn't offer the sacraments "much" over 20 years?
"I didn't do very much of that quite honestly in the twenty years that I did minister....90% of what I did in the past did not require ordination. Speaking through sound communication-radio, TV, so forth--that's not ministry, strictly speaking. My particular mission was speaking, writing, and teaching--not so much in the sacraments, but outside of them. Sowaht I'm going to be doing in the future is pretty much the same thing."
Arborman, hope I can be forgiven for wondering if Black Dog is on a long military operation.
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Fr. Corapi has made it all public himself. He has made recordings about his suspension, the Black Sheep Dog talks.
Corapi, like all Catholic priests, is supposed to draw people to Our Lord, not to himself.
Elizabeth, so many good points offered. You can take the man out of Hollywood ... As far as I'm concerned, he's made this madness himself. This thing is so bizarre. He does seem to relish in this drama.
He's got the soap operas beat. One on FE thought there was a comparison to Father Feeney +Father Sommerville. Not even close. They stuck it out.
Guilt or no guilt, not exactly a priestly way to go.
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They way Father Corapi reacted, do you think it relates to rule #24 of the "the Mason Plane in this Italian writing CHIESA VIVA. parrenstforthruth mentioned this work in another post.
http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf
24. Reduce vocations to the priesthood. Dismiss the laity any reverence for it. The public scandal a priest destroy innumerable vocations. Praise publicly priests who, for the love of a woman, have been able to leave everything, calling them heroes. Honor defrocked priests, as true martyrs oppressed. Condemned as a scandal that our brothers Masons in the priesthood should be disclosed and their names published. Be tolerant of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity the clergy. Say (that) the priests suffer from loneliness.
the smart sheep