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Farewell Trickster
« on: August 13, 2014, 10:53:51 PM »
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  • This is the post that did it:

    Quote from: trickster
    The teachings of Christ cannot be compromised; what can be compromised is our understanding of those teachings.  Can you guarentee me that you have a direct link to the brain, mind and heart of Jesus of Nazareth when he walked among us or when he functions as the Christ?  

    what needs compromise or conversion is our understanding (which we are all limited in), fundamentalist interpretation of church teaching and then imposing that understanding on the world is the real problem or crisis in the church.  You seem to confuse integrity with humility and charity at least in the posts that I have seen written by you.


    I will let others answer this post (it saves me some time!)

    Quote from: BTNYC
    A damnable Modernist lie. Anathema sit.

    14. Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy mother Church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.

    May understanding, knowledge and wisdom increase as ages and centuries roll along, and greatly and vigorously flourish, in each and all, in the individual and the whole Church: but this only in its own proper kind, that is to say, in the same doctrine, the same sense, and the same understanding.

    First Vatican Council, Session III, Chapter IV, 24 April, 1870


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    Quote from: Lighthouse
    Yep, Modernism on a stick.  No, I can guarantee you nothing. But the Church can.
    Sure, it's all "understanding".  Given the right "understanding", I can maintain that BBs are cannonballs. Well, I'm not buying what you are  selling. If you are proclaiming that there is no truth that is not compromised by interpretation then you seem to have absorbed your Kant, Hegel, and the other German idealists rather deeply.

    There are clear cut facts that the Church presents. You just don't hear them, and have given up to the thought that everything is subjective.

    "Functioning as the Christ..." No. Church teaching and His proclamation is that He IS Christ.

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     "..its all good" statement referred to my comfort with the poster disagreeing with me.


    Well no, I did catch that part of it. When truth challenges lie, you have no concern with which one wins?

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    Would you care to define what arguements in the video that I make can be applied to pornography?  Where am I being obnoxious, wrongheaded, etc.  In short where is my thinking "the weed".  You make pretty broad statements that are more labels than authentic critical analysis.  


    You would prefer to think they are "labels" because you think everything is a "label". I'm sure your "authentic critical analysis" revolves around who is best  able to handle an explanation for the labeling.  

    And just to remind you, you have never answered the question as to why you believe in cross-dressing and have a welcome ad for homos on your website.


    If trickster can be wrong about something so cut-and-dried like a textbook utterance of Modernism (as condemned by Pope St. Pius X), and not admit his error, then what else is he in error about?

    The long and short of it is that trickster doesn't belong here. He has described himself as "liberal Novus Ordo" which really says it all. Even conservative Novus Ordo Catholics don't stick around here long, even though I don't ban them or anything they usually find the door on their own; Where does that leave the liberal ones?

    But most important of all -- he pays occasional lip service while being 0% docile and 100% incorrigible, mixed with a healthy dose of "I'm old enough to be your father" Baby Boomer pride. He's not ready to take the position he ought to take: "silent student".

    But to do that, he'd first have to admit he's in error and I don't think he's reached that point yet either!

    So until he A) admits his error and B) takes on a docile "teach me and correct my errors" position, he can only serve to cause confusion and spread error on CathInfo. Therefore he is not welcome here.
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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #1 on: August 13, 2014, 11:19:18 PM »
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  • I don't think he belongs here either.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #2 on: August 13, 2014, 11:45:23 PM »
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  • It will give him more time to read all those docuмents and books which were recommended to him, and which he said he would follow that up. He cannot possibly have scratched the surface on that one, considering the time he must have spent "having conversations and going on journeys".
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #3 on: August 13, 2014, 11:54:58 PM »
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  • A wise move, Matthew. There is only so much forbearance that can be shown to an unresponsive heretic. The time had come to shake the dust from our feet in testimony against his intransigence.

    Trickster's posts should always serve as a textbook example of the Modernist mind at work - The false humility coupled with the arrogant condescension in the face of fraternal correction... The abysmal ignorance of Church teaching coupled with mindlessly haughty designs to overhaul those teachings... and the maddening refusal to countenance clear dogmatic refutation of his errors - either to accept them or to refute them - causing him to instead retreat into false docility and affected affability and the fundamentally dishonest "I'll have to look into that and get back to you" rhetoric of deflection. Never mind the glaring, incontrovertible evidence that you're in error, just distract them with some folksy dime store injun crap couched in a hazy miasma of ill-formed ideas, and move on to the next heretical post...

    And yet... most terrifyingly... there's nothing particularly unique or unusual about him. Novus Ordo parishes are lousy with deep feeling shallow thinkers like him... many of them in polyester vestments, preaching this disordered deviltry from the pulpit...

    Kyrie eleison...

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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 05:58:39 AM »
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  • Thank you, Matthew.


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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 07:02:06 AM »
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  • No quarrel with the decision to show trickster the door, of course, but was he ever truly a threat to anything or anyone hereabouts? He has such confidence in the fundamentals of his outlook that he can't help being as transparent as the glass in one of those Windex ads.

    As no man welcomes the presence of a guest who exhibits little but bad manners and bad taste, trickster may be said to have invited Matthew to dismiss him. If a genuinely dangerous dissembler is what one seeks, however, look to Pete Vere as Exhibit A.

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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 07:43:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: claudel
    If a genuinely dangerous dissembler is what one seeks, however, look to Pete Vere as Exhibit A.


    Hear, hear.

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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 08:35:34 AM »
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  • He just came here to troll.  Notice the screen name "trickster".  Why else would you pick a name like that?


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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 09:15:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    He just came here to troll.  Notice the screen name "trickster".  Why else would you pick a name like that?


    I think he picked the name because  it is linked to Native Americans.  

    We should pray for him.  I pray for his conversion to the true faith.

    Trickster , if you read this, remember to wear your brown scapular and miraculous medal.
    Go to confession and Latin Mass.  Talk to a traditional Catholic priest. Go on Sspx st Ignatius silent retreat for men.  Love God and obey his 10 commandments.
    You are off in right direction with praying the Rosary.  Watch movie The Miracle of our Lady of Fatima.  Also, read "Liberalism is
    A Sin".  Tan books. Make trip to visit shrine Auriesville, New York.   May St Tekakawitha guide you to the truth in Christ and our blessed Mother.




    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline Matthew

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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 09:24:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC

    Trickster's posts should always serve as a textbook example of the Modernist mind at work - The false humility coupled with the arrogant condescension in the face of fraternal correction... The abysmal ignorance of Church teaching coupled with mindlessly haughty designs to overhaul those teachings... and the maddening refusal to countenance clear dogmatic refutation of his errors - either to accept them or to refute them - causing him to instead retreat into false docility and affected affability and the fundamentally dishonest "I'll have to look into that and get back to you" rhetoric of deflection. Never mind the glaring, incontrovertible evidence that you're in error, just distract them with some folksy dime store injun crap couched in a hazy miasma of ill-formed ideas, and move on to the next heretical post...


    This is what I perceived, but you put it into words so well I need to quote it here.

    That is -- precisely -- what was wrong with him. And yes, a man who's apparently that "humble" and "truth seeking" might deceive some into thinking he MUST have a good chunk of the truth by now.
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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 09:36:24 AM »
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  • I was hoping against all hope that Trickster actually was coming here to find out more about Traditional Catholicism and then he would realize that he is very cavalier in his approach to Our Lord.

    I certainly enjoyed reading other poster's correction of his views.  He won't get that from CAF.  


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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 10:22:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg

    I certainly enjoyed reading other poster's correction of his views.  He won't get that from CAF.  


    The ones correcting him would have been scolded & booted on CAF.

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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 11:32:15 AM »
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  • CAF is a fertile ground for Trickster to plant the seeds of his perverse errors.

    To wit:

    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=12163386#post12163386

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    In Canada we have had same sex marriage legislation on the books and in practice for ten years now. All fo the gloom and doom prophecies about brothers wanting to marry, and all of the fear tactic arguements are just not appearing in Canada. I am not sure about the experiences of other countries who have legislated same sex marriage.

    The institution of marriage will not weaken as it is an article of faith for us as Catholics, how will a state defined marriage affect my Catholic belief? I don't think it will...I think I will be ok with same sex marraige and I would not heistate to support friends who choose that root just like I would support Anglican or protestant or Jєωιѕн friends who get married in their tradition.

    I think we can also create some catholic means of recognizing the commitment at a community level of two people of the same sex who are joined in union. I am also very supportive of gαy unions.


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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 11:39:04 AM »
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  • That is how most novous ordo Catholics have been taught to believe.
    Not everyone was raised with traditional Catholicism and proper Cathecism
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Farewell Trickster
    « Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 12:16:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    That is how most novous ordo Catholics have been taught to believe.
    Not everyone was raised with traditional Catholicism and proper Cathecism


    Trickster is a cradle Catholic who's pushing sixty. There is no way he was raised and catechized to believe that sodomy deserves equal standing with marriage.

    I'm thirty-six. My own NO catechesis was pretty darn bad... but not that bad.