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Offline nadieimportante

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« on: January 05, 2012, 06:54:11 AM »
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  • I'm trying here to create a "Think Tank" environment with this topic, and let it develop and go where it goes. Here's the gist:

    In my culture, the father created the business that the children will work in later in life. The children are guided and taught the business and are involved in the business since childhood. The children live and grow up in the house and go to school locally while living at home, and when they get married they live next door or across the street. The brothers all live in the same place and work together in the businesses created by them. The family is very close.

    In the USA, the children were entrusted to others to teach them everything, and sent away from almost it seems day one. The children grow up get married and move away to another town. The parents move to a place by themselves and the grandchildren never  have anything to do with each other again, other than seeing each other twice a year at Thanksgiving & Christmas.

    This American system seems to me to be a break with sanity, and a perfect system to divide and conquer the "clans".
    "Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
     Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine

    Offline Marcelino

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    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 12:16:40 PM »
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  • I think you're right!  It is about divide and conquer.  Basically, since ethnic catholics formed immigrant communities in the u.s., after huge waves of immigration, those neighborhoods have been targeted for assimilation and that process is achieved by breaking up what amounts to extended families that share common ancestry and religion from living in the same neighborhoods and basically dominating those neighborhoods and growing in power.  

    The process seems simple enough.  Stir up Blacks with all sorts of anti-white/immigrant propaganda and uproot them from their housing (often by tearing it down or just condemning it and failing to replace it with enough new housing/government projects) and luring them into new immigrant communities with cheap rents, who react to the invasion and then get branded as racists.  That's the stick.  The carrot is easy credit, dual income families, freeways, good schools, libraries, rec centers and shopping out in the suburbs, where you can escape angry black males (14-40 yrs old) or where they at least get arrested if they cause trouble. So, you move out to the suburbs and your just another white guy or whatever, but your previous identity is basically dilute if not exterminated and your new one is kind of generic american.  

    This process seems like it has been extremely successful and occurs much more rapidly now, than it did in the past.  It also does not appear to be a new concept.  Apparently rulers of empires have employed these methods in the past to control conquered peoples.  Methods like forced relocation separate people from their homelands and immerse them in alien cultures.  Forced conversions to some other religion is another way to break them down.  Also language.  Television is probably the dominant medium for assimilation, although a large chunk of that has  shifted over to the internet.  

    On the other hand, empires don't last forever and out of the chaos, when they fall apart, apparently most of the groups that were digested by it in the first place emerge, perhaps somewhat diminished.   :read-paper:






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    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 02:29:35 PM »
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  • Heh! When the Romans conquered the gauls, they practiced a form of PC behavior amongst their own people to speed up the assimilation process. The average roman citizens thought the Gauls were uncouth barbarians and didn't want them in their cities, but the ruling class did.

    Check out this link:

    http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/cw_recent/ethniccleansing.html

    E. Michael Jones, Ph.D. discusses the deliberate destruction of ethnic Catholic neighborhoods and how it was accomplished by the ruling W.A.S.P elite of the US.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 02:31:04 PM »
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  • This American system seems to me to be a break with sanity, and a perfect system to divide and conquer the "clans".

    The above is correct and as Marcello pointed out it is a tried and true tactic used by many empires throughout history.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 02:33:30 PM »
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  • I am not a fan of Dr. Jones's theological opinions concerning traditionalists, but I find his historical work's to be well done.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 03:05:09 PM »
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  • Absolutely.  I have written about this many times on the site -- America is built on the Protestant work ethic, not on the Catholic work ethic, which makes time for spiritual development and family life.  The Protestant work ethic takes this virtue of working, and makes a religion itself out of it.  Eventually, money itself becomes the god of these people.  Just look at the Purpose-Driven Life and you will see exactly what I mean.  

    America is a total reversion of Catholic European values.  There a kid lives at home until he's married, sometimes until he's 40.  Here you have to fend for yourself at 18.  This puts such fear and overdriven money-obsession into people that it's no wonder they become conscienceless, lying and cheating drones in order to get by.  It's a jungle, a rat race, not a civilization.  

    But the Catholics, growing up in this Protestant culture have embraced it.  American Catholics tend to be VERY Protestant, very Puritanical.  I have a friend, God love him, who made his daughter go get a job when she was a young girl.  Why?  If they have a farm, sure, she should help out, but why should a young girl be thrust out into the world to work?  It's just taking jobs away from men, and imperilling her soul.  This is so obvious but people here don't see it.  The Protestants have created a nation of maniacal speed freaks who live at an exaggerated pace, pop antidepressants, get in massive debt to keep up with the neighbors, work five jobs, never take a chance to breathe, and then hurl themselves off buildings when it all falls apart.  The pace of life in America is outright SICK.  I felt this even before I was Catholic, it's why I had no inclination to work.  

    I know one family whose husband can never get a job, and to keep up their lifestyle, the wife gives tennis instructions for 16 hours a day or something -- her face looks like an old shoe, it's so wrinkly from being in the sun constantly.  That to me is the perfect statement about American desperation to keep up these useless standards of living.
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 04:54:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Absolutely.  I have written about this many times on the site -- America is built on the Protestant work ethic, not on the Catholic work ethic, which makes time for spiritual development and family life.  The Protestant work ethic takes this virtue of working, and makes a religion itself out of it.  Eventually, money itself becomes the god of these people.  Just look at the Purpose-Driven Life and you will see exactly what I mean.  

    America is a total reversion of Catholic European values.  There a kid lives at home until he's married, sometimes until he's 40.  Here you have to fend for yourself at 18.  This puts such fear and overdriven money-obsession into people that it's no wonder they become conscienceless, lying and cheating drones in order to get by.  It's a jungle, a rat race, not a civilization.  

    But the Catholics, growing up in this Protestant culture have embraced it.  American Catholics tend to be VERY Protestant, very Puritanical.  I have a friend, God love him, who made his daughter go get a job when she was a young girl.  Why?  If they have a farm, sure, she should help out, but why should a young girl be thrust out into the world to work?  It's just taking jobs away from men, and imperilling her soul.  This is so obvious but people here don't see it.  The Protestants have created a nation of maniacal speed freaks who live at an exaggerated pace, pop antidepressants, get in massive debt to keep up with the neighbors, work five jobs, never take a chance to breathe, and then hurl themselves off buildings when it all falls apart.  The pace of life in America is outright SICK.  I felt this even before I was Catholic, it's why I had no inclination to work.  

    I know one family whose husband can never get a job, and to keep up their lifestyle, the wife gives tennis instructions for 16 hours a day or something -- her face looks like an old shoe, it's so wrinkly from being in the sun constantly.  That to me is the perfect statement about American desperation to keep up these useless standards of living.


    I guess you have a point there, in regards to mainline protestant, but I'm not sure that describes the rest of them, particularly if you take into account, The South is sort of conquered territory.  Also, it seems to me that Jews are culturally dominant in America, not Protestants and I've heard that goes back to the early 1970s.  

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    « Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 05:01:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: sedetrad
    Heh! When the Romans conquered the gauls, they practiced a form of PC behavior amongst their own people to speed up the assimilation process. The average roman citizens thought the Gauls were uncouth barbarians and didn't want them in their cities, but the ruling class did.

    Check out this link:

    http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/cw_recent/ethniccleansing.html

    E. Michael Jones, Ph.D. discusses the deliberate destruction of ethnic Catholic neighborhoods and how it was accomplished by the ruling W.A.S.P elite of the US.


    I'll have to read that article.   Amazing how he mixes Samson and Sade into that article!  :chef:


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    « Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 06:05:35 PM »
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  • what about Quebec and the Deep South. Love Alabama a poster here once brought up a good point on whether the South has embraced this work ethic.


    but anyway you are so true.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 06:17:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Absolutely.  I have written about this many times on the site -- America is built on the Protestant work ethic, not on the Catholic work ethic, which makes time for spiritual development and family life.  The Protestant work ethic takes this virtue of working, and makes a religion itself out of it.  Eventually, money itself becomes the god of these people.  Just look at the Purpose-Driven Life and you will see exactly what I mean.  

    America is a total reversion of Catholic European values.  There a kid lives at home until he's married, sometimes until he's 40.  Here you have to fend for yourself at 18.  This puts such fear and overdriven money-obsession into people that it's no wonder they become conscienceless, lying and cheating drones in order to get by.  It's a jungle, a rat race, not a civilization.  

    But the Catholics, growing up in this Protestant culture have embraced it.  American Catholics tend to be VERY Protestant, very Puritanical.  I have a friend, God love him, who made his daughter go get a job when she was a young girl.  Why?  If they have a farm, sure, she should help out, but why should a young girl be thrust out into the world to work?  It's just taking jobs away from men, and imperilling her soul.  This is so obvious but people here don't see it.  The Protestants have created a nation of maniacal speed freaks who live at an exaggerated pace, pop antidepressants, get in massive debt to keep up with the neighbors, work five jobs, never take a chance to breathe, and then hurl themselves off buildings when it all falls apart.  The pace of life in America is outright SICK.  I felt this even before I was Catholic, it's why I had no inclination to work.  

    I know one family whose husband can never get a job, and to keep up their lifestyle, the wife gives tennis instructions for 16 hours a day or something -- her face looks like an old shoe, it's so wrinkly from being in the sun constantly.  That to me is the perfect statement about American desperation to keep up these useless standards of living.


     First what you said is so true. I have relatives in Alabama who are OBSESSED with money.It is all WORK WORK WORK. I have been told to leave the home by my protestant relatives since I am 19 years old. My family is traditionalist and my family does not embrace that Protestant ethic. My relatives have tried to make me leave against my wishes.

     They talk about CHARITY CHARITY but they do not think about the soul.

     You stated in your post what my father has been saying. He had to lay the law down and tell them to butt out of our familiy's life.

    You can't worship God and money at the same time.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 09:33:35 PM »
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  • yeah, Marcelino, its not the protestants.
    Cultural values began to change in the sixties and we know who started it and propagated it.

    see culture of critique. Frankfurt school.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School


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    « Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 09:55:18 PM »
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  • It's not JUST the Protestants, this nation is a witches' brew.  But this is a Protestant country; most "Christians" here are Protestants.  That has affected the fabric of this society, and made it very, very different from Catholic Europe.  Unless you think that it's just insignificant that we have a majority Prot population, knowing that they aren't in the real Church and have many deadly heresies?  

    I have a book about the Protestant work ethic written by a Catholic, I'll have to root around for it.  But as soon as I read it, I thought, "Bingo, this explains everything."

    The Jews only recently came into power here, at least openly, though they have always been behind the Freemasons.  So the way the pyramid works is --

    Satan
    Jews
    Freemasons
    Protestants
    Protestantized Catholics

    The Protestants are the most numerous drones carrying out the American Freemasonic project, however.  And they are basically led by the promise of wealth and opportunity, since they think God wants them to be rich and simply follow the money.  Not being Catholic, they are hardly going to care about the Jewish wars America participates in that ended up destroying the Catholic monarchies... To them that's all well and good, to get rid of accursed papalotry and old-world Europe... Do you see, Darcy?  You have dupes leading dupes leading dupes, and the devil offers them whatever they need to overcome their conscience and deny the truth, which is usually success and money.  

    Why do you think God said you can't serve God and mammon?  Again, this is not insignificant.  You're acting like America was hunky-dory before the 60's, yet long before that, its very form of government had a theological error named after it!  I'm referring, of course, to Americanism.

    Unfortunately, many Catholics here also thought the monarchies were out of date and should be replaced by democracy, that is what I mean by Protestantized Catholics.  Just dupes of the Jews, following their dreams, money money money.  It's just a huge wall of lies, this country.

    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 10:05:33 PM »
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  • The devil built up a giant illusion, tossing funny money at people to fuel it.  Now he is here to collect the greatest bounty he's ever had.

    What is it really about?  



    It's about the SOULS.  The DUPES.  The FOOLS that are being taken down because they were promised the moon.  But it's all going away.  

    Major revelation of the method going on in this movie, by the way ( the Joker is the devil, of course ).  

    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 10:06:55 PM »
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  • I have wondered many times why Catholics ever came to America after the puritans took over the east coast. We kicked them out of Europe then followed right behind them.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 10:26:40 AM »
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  • When did this practice of sending the children off to live by themselves after high school begin? Practically every American sends their children off to college or to live by themselves. The children are never seen again for the rest of their lives, except for Christmas & Eastern, and the grandchildren and cousins never see or even get to know each other. There's no "familia" anymore.
    "Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
     Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine

     

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