Sedevacantist quote.
"First of all, it’s believed that Enoch and Elijah have never died; and since everyone born from Adam (excepting Christ and His Mother) is under the curse of death, it’s only natural to assume Enoch and Elijah MUST die someday. Ergo, it’s maintained that they will return as the Witnesses, fulfill their mission, and then perish as everyone else. And so, the belief that they haven’t died yet is one of the reasons this position has prevailed as the majority opinion for so long.
Then there’s the statement from the Book of Ecclesiastes which says that Enoch was translated to Paradise “to await the conversion of the nations.” (Eccl. 44:16) This statement has been interpreted as referring to the time when Enoch will return as one of the Witnesses and fulfill his mission of evangelizing. The third reason these two ancient prophets are regarded as the Witnesses is based upon the prophecy of Elijah’s return prior to the coming of the Messiah. This was foretold in the Old Testament Book of Malachy, and has been common knowledge among the Jєωs ever since. Christ Himself even confirms this view, adding that when the prophet returns, he will “restore all things”. Even today, the Jєωs are so sure of Elijah’s return, that they traditionally set a place for him at their annual Passover meal. All this to say, everyone knows Elijah will come back. The prophecy is unquestionable. As to why God would refrain from mentioning him by name in the Book of the Apocalypse, who knows?"
More lies and distortions. With the sin of Adam, the gates of heaven were closed until after the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. Your reference to paradise, does not mean that Enoch went to heaven. In fact, on Good Friday, Jesus told the good thief that he will be with HIM in paradise.
Luke 23:41-43 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this man hath done no evil. And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
Jesus descended into hell to preach the gospel to those that were in Abraham's Bosom, on Good Friday.
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell.
1 Peter 3:18-19 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:
It is an infallible fact, that Jesus ascended into heaven on the third day, Sunday [Easter] the first day of the week. Jesus ascended early Sunday and then visited the Apostles, late that same day!
John 20:1,16-20 And on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalen cometh early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre; and she saw the stone taken away from the sepulcher. … Jesus saith to her: Mary. She turning, saith to him: Rabboni (which is to say, Master). Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God. Mary Magdalen cometh, and telleth the disciples: I have seen the Lord, and these things he said to me. Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jєωs, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.
Athanasian Creed.
… Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, …
Your reference to Elihah's return prior to the coming of Jesus is again distorted and erroneous. You mentioned Malachias. Elijah was a man but there are also types of Elijah, just like there are many types of Mary, the mother of God, in the old testament.
Malachias 3:1-4 Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts. And who shall be able to think of the day of his coming? and who shall stand to see him? for he is like a refining fire, and like the fuller's herb: And he shall sit refining and cleansing the silver, and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice. And the sacrifice of Juda and of Jerusalem shall please the Lord, as in the days of old, and in the ancient years.
Malachias 4:5-6 Behold I will send you Elias the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers: lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema.
St. John the Baptist, was a type of Elijah.
Matthew 11:13-15 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John: And if you will receive it, he is Elias that is to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
But concerning the angel of the testament [angel of the Apocalypse] that Jesus will send for the conversion of the Judeans, it was St. Vincent Ferrer, as a type of Elias. Many people think that the Apocalypse will happen at once, at the very end. Yes, some things will be like that but many things of the Apocalypse will and have happened over time and many people have not recognized it. Concerning the Apocalypse, St. Vincent Ferrer and the Judeans:
Apocalypse 7:1-4 After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the sign of the living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them that were signed, an hundred forty-four thousand were signed, of every tribe of the children of Israel.
ST. VINCENT FERRER The Angel of the Judgment by Fr. Andrew Pradel, O.P. Published by R. Washborne, London in 1875; Ch. 8, Pages. 80-81
St. Vincent's mission was no less fruitful among the Jєω's than among the heretics. He converted incalculable number of them. God seemed to have accorded a special grace for the conversion of the people who are proverbially hostile to the christian name. There was at that period a population of Jєωs both numerous and powerful in Spain. The process of his canonization shows that in the space of thirteen months he converted twenty thousand in Castile alone; that in the year 1415, within six months, more than fifteen thousand were led to embrace the true faith in Aragon and Catalonia, and that on another occasion in the same country over thirty thousand were baptized at the close of his preaching.
The historians of the sect [Jєωs] do not hesitate to confirm these facts by their own testimony. In the work entitled "Juehasin", it is related that in the year 1412, a Friar named Brother Vincent, having preached to the Jєωs, the latter renounced their law to a number of more than two hundred thousand.
The Saint had an ardent zeal and tender love for these unhappy wanderers. In the cities where he found them, he took care that a place should always be reserved for them, and after his exhortations he treated them with much consideration. These acts full of sweetness gained their hearts The learning of the great preacher completed their conviction, and they presented themselves in a body to receive Holy Baptism. Thus, at Perpignan seventy families embraced the Christian Faith. In other places whole ѕуηαgσgυєs abjured their errors. Their places of meeting was changed into a church. In Castile, they were so unanimously converted that none remained, and the Bishop of Palencia saw himself deprived of a large revenue, produced by a special impost on them. Among the Jєωs whom St. Vincent brought to the Divine Messias, many of them in their turn became apostles of their co-religionist. Thus, one of them, who was afterward raised to the Episcopate, had the satisfaction of making forty thousand proselytes among his fellow countrymen.
Lets, for a moment, go back to chapter three in Malachias. It states that the sons of Levi will be purified and they will start to sacrifice according to the new testament covenant, the Catholic Mass, just as in the days of old.
Malachias 3:3-4 … and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice. And the sacrifice of Juda and of Jerusalem shall please the Lord, as in the days of old, and in the ancient years.
The animal sacrifice of the old testament, was a foreshadow of the true lamb, Jesus Christ, being sacrificed in the perfected new testament.
Hebrews 8:6-9 [6] But now he hath obtained a better ministry, by how much also he is a mediator of a better testament, which is established on better promises. [7] For if that former had been faultless, there should not indeed a place have been sought for a second. [8] For finding fault with them, he saith: Behold, the days shall come, saith the Lord: and I will perfect unto the house of Israel, and unto the house of Juda, a new testament: [9] Not according to the testament which I made to their fathers, on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt:
Apocalypse 3:12 He that shall overcome, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; and he shall go out no more; and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and my new name.
Again, let me extract from the book of St. Vincent's work among the Jєωs and how they became priests and bishops.
"Among the Jєωs whom St. Vincent brought to the Divine Messias, many of them in their turn became apostles of their co-religionist. Thus, one of them, who was afterward raised to the Episcopate, had the satisfaction of making forty thousand proselytes among his fellow countrymen."
Concerning numbers and windows of time, many times, they are not exact but just a number given in the bible. This is where people get into trouble, concerning the bible.
More to come, regarding Sedevancantist's thread.
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