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Raoul76 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:05:55 PM »

Yes, we're supposed to trust God. But we're also supposed to be aware of the signs of the times. There's no contradiction between the two such as you imply.

If you were Joseph or Mary and heard that Herod was killing all the male babies in order to get to Christ, would you have "trusted God's Holy Providence" by staying put and not fleeing to Egypt? Should they have not been concerned by this particular form of "government malfeasance"?

Matthew ( the mod ) probably thinks I am one of the fatalists. No, I am a survivalist, I just take issue with the methods of others. They want to store guns and food, gold and silver. My method is to go to France and try to find a Catholic community while awaiting the Great Monarch. To me staying in America is the worst way to try to survive. And what good will precious metals do you after a global stock market crash? Not just a crash, either -- there will be no more stock market.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:30:46 PM »

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If the economy doesn't get as bad as the doom and gloom people say, then at least you can eat your stored food and there shouldn't be any waste of money.

That the economy is going to collapse is not an opinion, and it's not doom-and-gloom. Just reality. To say otherwise at this point, you might as well live in Teletubbies-world such is the level of fantasy.

All the gold in the world can't pay back America's debt, and that's just one country. The scenario where Anti-christ comes and offers people a way out of poverty by selling their souls... Even that can't really happen. There's not enough jobs under the current ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic corrupt system to support all these people anymore. Note that I am not saying the world is overpopulated, because God has provided enough to support all these people and more. I'm saying that the big businesses shipping out jobs to China and the governments are sick and corrupt. The globalized system cannot continue, it's unsustainable.

Though it sounds weird, the only real way to pay back all this debt is... Death.

Matthew · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:48:18 PM »

Bishop Williamson says there will be a Chastisement in the near future (when, is anybody's guess. He doesn't name dates.)

Odd that you and he should agree on something :wink:

Raoul76 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2011, 12:07:21 AM »

I'm kind of surprised to hear that there is anyone left who thinks the contrary...

But I agree with Bp. Williamson on lots of things. I've even speculated that many potential sedes stay in the "organization that shall not be named by me" because of his influence. He says lots of things that most of the sede clergy won't talk about, perhaps out of diplomacy, perhaps because they don't agree.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2011, 01:14:12 PM »

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Poverty is a virtue.

If it were that simple, the world should be more virtuous now than ever before. It is not. The spirit of poverty is a virtue. There is no virtue is a mere lack of material goods -- especially as each man needs to make a right use of a reasonable amount of them as he goes about the harder business of trying to lead a virtuous life.

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It's a moot point for me, because I have no assets to "protect" other than my own soul and know what it's like to have a checking account balance in the single digits.

We are part of the NINJA generation -- No income, no jobs, no assets. Those who do have assets are often clueless, left to watch in disbelief as the Banksters rip them off again and again.

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All I'm doing is pointing out that we ought to be more worried about dangers to our own soul brought about by greed and a failure to trust in God's Holy Providence than we are worried about any government malfeasance.

Upon this point we are all agreed.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2011, 01:21:12 PM »

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To me staying in America is the worst way to try to survive.

Well, many do not have another realistic option.

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And what good will precious metals do you after a global stock market crash?

Precious metals will still have value within whatever new system rises from the ashes. Men will not stop believing they have intrinsic value. Still, it is true that we cannot eat them -- so their immediate use may be rather limited.

As for France, it will, overall, be hit the hardest, IMO, although not at the beginning. There is no place that will not feel the force of this storm. Many in "safer" places or situations will die, while many in less safe circuмstances will live and even prosper. God's will be praised.

innocenza · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2011, 08:18:38 PM »

Just trying to learn:

When the disaster hits, do you think the power supply will not be interrupted? If it is, you will need a generator to run your refrigerator and other essential household electric appliances. Will it still be feasible to get gasoline to fuel your generator?

If you have gotten rid of your paper money in favor of silver, how usable will that be when there are no consumer commodities left in the stores to purchase?

When Joseph fled with Mary and the infant Jesus into Egypt, no mass exodus was occurring, and he was not restricted in his ability to travel other than by the physical difficulty of the journey, which was true of all travel in that time and place. During the coming disaster, would it not be likely that mobility would be seriously decreased by the numbers of people trying to find safer conditions, all dependent upon the reliability of their automobiles and the condition of the roadways, while perhaps having to contend with the limiting of access to the highways by forces of the government

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:07:02 PM »

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Matthew ( the mod ) probably thinks I am one of the fatalists. No, I am a survivalist, I just take issue with the methods of others. They want to store guns and food, gold and silver. My method is to go to France and try to find a Catholic community while awaiting the Great Monarch. To me staying in America is the worst way to try to survive.

Raoul, are you willing to face the Russians and Chinese at the Rhine, or be entrenched and surrounded by Moors and Reds? France will be a hot-spot just as much if not more so than America.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:10:44 PM »

Quote from: innocenza

Just trying to learn:

When the disaster hits, do you think the power supply will not be interrupted? If it is, you will need a generator to run your refrigerator and other essential household electric appliances. Will it still be feasible to get gasoline to fuel your generator?

If you have gotten rid of your paper money in favor of silver, how usable will that be when there are no consumer commodities left in the stores to purchase?

Another thing you would have to consider is that your electronics, motors, etc. wont work if there is an EMP caused by a nuke, dirty bomb, EMP gun, pole shift, etc.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:17:15 PM »

Gladius_veritatis said:

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Well, many do not have another realistic option.

But you do. If you can get to Hawaii to drink Chardonnay, you can get to France to fight some Muslims.

Catholic Samurai said:

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Raoul, are you willing to face the Russians and Chinese at the Rhine, or be entrenched and surrounded by Moors and Reds? France will be a hot-spot just as much if not more so than America.

Russia will probably convert to Catholicism under the Monarch. China is a non-issue, they are a paper tiger. They will collapse with America.

As for the Mohammedans, yeah, that's the big problem, and the Monarch war will be against them primarily, along with whatever atheists still remain ( those who are still clinging to Masonic ideals, if this is what you mean by "reds." ) Yes, I'd rather die this way than die in some pointless skirmish in America to restore the Constitution or whatever, this should go without saying.

France will not be hit harder than America. It will be hit very hard because it was unfaithful to the Church. But America is Mystery Babylon and it's going to be destroyed.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:21:36 PM »

innocenza said:

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If you have gotten rid of your paper money in favor of silver, how usable will that be when there are no consumer commodities left in the stores to purchase?

It will be useful in getting you shot in the head, mainly.

Maybe you could buy silver and gold now, sell it for a profit, then buy a house in the mountains somewhere and store food and water. That is the way to survive here, if there is any way.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #26 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:36:00 PM »

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Gladius_veritatis said:
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Well, many do not have another realistic option.

But you do. If you can get to Hawaii to drink Chardonnay, you can get to France to fight some Muslims.

Catholic Samurai said:
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Raoul, are you willing to face the Russians and Chinese at the Rhine, or be entrenched and surrounded by Moors and Reds? France will be a hot-spot just as much if not more so than America.

Russia will probably convert to Catholicism under the Monarch. China is a non-issue, they are a paper tiger. They will collapse with America.

As for the Mohammedans, yeah, that's the big problem, and the Monarch war will be against them primarily, along with whatever atheists still remain ( those who are still clinging to Masonic ideals, if this is what you mean by "reds." ) Yes, I'd rather die this way than die in some pointless skirmish in America to restore the Constitution or whatever, this should go without saying.

France will not be hit harder than America. It will be hit very hard because it was unfaithful to the Church. But America is Mystery Babylon and it's going to be destroyed.

There is much to fear from Russia and China. The devastation of one's economy, doesnt necessarily mean the desolation of ones' military. N Korea for example has a very capable military despite the fact that it is one of the poorest countries in the world and is only propped up by a foreign power. Russia will not be converting anytime soon according to prophecy, and being the tactically strongest military in the world I dont believe they intend to invest their energy in building monasteries right now. Moors rioting and pillaging in any case would be a game, while an invasion from Russia and China would be apocalyptic.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 14, 2011, 10:05:18 PM »

I thought I was the one who didn't believe in the secrets of Fatima ( Russia will be converted... )

China is weak, they are nothing. When America falls and when Europe is reduced to poverty, their export market will dry up. That will destroy the country and reduce it to chaos. They have no consumer economy, due to their slave-driving communist ways. That means they have no internal strength. To be a strong country, you have to have hearts and minds. The Chinese hate China.

There is a reason why they are buying our debt. The fates of America and China are intertwined. They are mutually parasitical and can't survive without each other at this point.

This is all about Catholics vs. Islam, ultimately. The Jєωs have already done the bulk of their damage. They work behind the scenes through influence and suggestion, but that is wearing off as people wake up to the corruption of their governments and the media. It's as if for decades, the devil has woven this magic spell, created this false reality, which is now coming apart at the seams. The lies, the illusion, the magic simply don't work anymore, due to the poverty lurking at our doorsteps. What kept the sham going was the "prosperity" of the West which as it turned out was all based on debt. The devil knows that to put people to sleep, the best thing to do is throw money at them and make them weak. But he can no longer do this.

I believe Russia will convert, along with most of Europe. However, many will probably convert out of expediency, in order to save their skins. This could explain why the Anti-Christ arrives so soon after the rise of the Monarch.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 14, 2011, 10:11:03 PM »

Catholic Samurai said:

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Russia will not be converting anytime soon according to prophecy, and being the tactically strongest military in the world I dont believe they intend to invest their energy in building monasteries right now. Moors rioting and pillaging in any case would be a game, while an invasion from Russia and China would be apocalyptic.

What you're not seeing is that Russia will most likely be using that military against the Muslims, not against the Catholics. When these hordes begin pouring over the borders, they will have no choice.

Matthew · « **Reply #29 on:** February 14, 2011, 10:23:19 PM »

You're missing an important part of the Fatima message, Raoul.

The Pope, in union with all the Bishops, will first consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

If there is no pope, hierarchy, Church to speak of -- who is going to do this?

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It is said that the consecration to the Immaculate Heart will mirror the late consecration of France to the Sacred Heart. It will happen, but too late.

We all know what happened to France as a result. What happened to Our Lord's requested consecration will probably happen with regard to Our Lady's as well -- she tends to suffer everything with Our Lord.

Matthew