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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 12, 2011, 04:31:59 PM
http://www.stansberryresearch.com/pro/1011PSIENDVD/PPSIM198/PR
Title: Excellent, important material...
Post by: PartyIsOver221 on February 12, 2011, 09:24:41 PM
Thank you very much for posting this. I would like to share it to everyone I know, but I know they wouldn't care or listen.

I'm just a cuke. Well everyone will have to fend for themselves then. I don't know how else to be charitable other than let fate play out and not intervene. I really would love to save everyone I love though.
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Post by: Matthew D Hardin on February 12, 2011, 10:47:08 PM
This is snake oil. Further, the video plays upon avaricious instincts of mankind to profit from the losses of one another, and praises greed in tumultuous times. This video is neither Catholic nor sensible, and I am deeply disturbed that otherwise right-thinking traditionalists would not be outraged by its message.
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Post by: Lighthouse on February 12, 2011, 11:06:38 PM
Do a Google search. Not encouraging. Danger! Danger!, Will Robinson.
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Post by: Matthew D Hardin on February 12, 2011, 11:28:53 PM
Stansberry has been convicted of fraud, and admonished by a federal judge for giving testimony which was incredible.

This video is outrageous on its face. Even if every claim Stansberry made were true and the US were indeed on the brink of economic collapse and mass starvation, it would be morally reprehensible to use the chaos to profit monetarily in the absurdly high percentages he proposes. If one were to profit from chaos (or quite possibly cause it through a particular investment strategy) while one's neighbors die in the streets, as he proposes, one would have quite a bit to answer for on Judgment Day.

I'll trust in God and His Word rather than silver and the Gospel of Stansberry. I'll work to atone for my sins and merit heaven rather than storing up riches which Christ Himself has warned make sanctity difficult to achieve. (Cf. Mark 10:24) If I starve to death in a ditch I'll praise the sweet will of God and even if Stansberry's economic predictions were 100% on the mark I'll go down cursing him for deceiving the hearts of men to trust in earthly rather than eternal treasure.

No good will come of greed. No good will come of this video. It has no place on a Catholic site.
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Post by: innocenza on February 13, 2011, 03:01:17 PM
Thank you, M.D.H., for a worthy Catholic perspective!
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 13, 2011, 06:41:46 PM
Thanks for doing the research, Matthew.  I admit I posted it hastily, not having viewed the video in its entirety.  My reason for posting it was this: The information in the first portion is accurate and useful.

My apologies for not being as thorough as I should have been.
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 13, 2011, 06:45:34 PM
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I'll trust in God and His Word rather than silver...


Making sensible moves to protect your assets is not sinful, Matthew -- and buying silver is a sensible move in these unstable times.  As you know, God expects us to use our brains.  If we are morally certain that a shortage of food is coming, is it sinful to store food?  No.

FWIW, putting one's assets into more stable forms does not mean one lacks trust in God.  It means one can see what is going on and has the sense to take appropriate measures.
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Post by: ora pro me on February 13, 2011, 06:54:15 PM
I'll admit that I was curious and watched the entire video (quite a time waster, as it's quite slow going) and now I'm still curious.... about his 4th step that he doesn't tell us about, because, of course, he wants us to pay $49.50 for his emails.  

I do believe that we should be getting ahead a bit with some food storage of essentials that won't go bad, in so far as you are financially able. Be sure to protect your food from rodents, bugs and the possiblility of water damage.  If the economy doesn't get as bad as the doom and gloom people say, then at least you can eat your stored food and there shouldn't be any waste of money.
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 13, 2011, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: Matthew D. Hardin
Even if every claim Stansberry made were true and the US were indeed on the brink of economic collapse and mass starvation, it would be morally reprehensible to use the chaos to profit monetarily in the absurdly high percentages he proposes.


Chaos is coming whether you like it or not.  Making intelligent moves, even those that bring an increase in wealth, is hardly immoral, in se.

“Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as though everything depended on you.”
~ St. Augustine
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 13, 2011, 07:30:09 PM
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If we are morally certain that a shortage of food is coming, is it sinful to store food?  No.


FWIW, I think the bigger (initial) problem will be the exorbitant cost of the food that is available.  That is what hyperinflation does -- annihilates the purchasing power of our money.  Is storing food the ONLY alternative?  No, but it is one of them.
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 13, 2011, 07:34:33 PM
May I presume we all make use of refrigerators?  Is it right to presume most of our cupboards have a few edible dry goods in them?
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Post by: Matthew on February 13, 2011, 07:52:33 PM
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I'll trust in God and His Word rather than silver...


Making sensible moves to protect your assets is not sinful, Matthew -- and buying silver is a sensible move in these unstable times.  As you know, God expects us to use our brains.  If we are morally certain that a shortage of food is coming, is it sinful to store food?  No.

FWIW, putting one's assets into more stable forms does not mean one lacks trust in God.  It means one can see what is going on and has the sense to take appropriate measures.


For that matter, the patriarch Joseph stored up corn during the "years of plenty" to survive during the "years of scarcity".

No one said you can't share your obscene profits with whoever you want...

I personally think some of the fatalism/passivity is a cop-out for those who can't (or don't want to) prepare. A way to salve their nerves.

I would know -- I'm guilty of it to a small degree, as I have a family that keeps me pretty busy these days.

Matthew
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 13, 2011, 08:24:35 PM
Joseph came to mind right after I logged off.  Such a story annihilates the imbalanced take that some SEEM to have.  God expects us to trust in Him AND do what we can -- and there is no REAL conflict between the two.

Our situation IS grave and getting graver by the hour.  Our currency WILL be reduced to ashes and failure to do what we can, according to our means, while we can is irresponsible -- especially if we have families for which we are bound to provide.  The designs of the Enemy and his henchmen are pretty clear at this point -- so to ignore what is known is the very contrary of being sensible.  It would be like knowing well in advance that the V2 revolution was coming, but choosing to take no action to prevent it or, at least, protect ourselves.  Faith does not destroy reason; it perfects it.

Godspeed :)
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Post by: Matthew D Hardin on February 13, 2011, 09:15:06 PM
Poverty is a virtue. Poverty inclines us to focus on God rather than material well-being.

Avarice is a vice. It inclines us to store up treasure on earth rather than in heaven. Avarice leads souls to Hell.

It's a moot point for me, because I have no assets to "protect" other than my own soul and know what it's like to have a checking account balance in the single digits. Others are free to do as they choose, buying up silver and gold and storing it to protect themselves from the monetary vagaries of the Federal Reserve. All I'm doing is pointing out that we ought to be more worried about dangers to our own soul brought about by greed and a failure to trust in God's Holy Providence than we are worried about any government malfeasance. "And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28
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Post by: Raoul76 on February 13, 2011, 10:05:55 PM
Yes, we're supposed to trust God.  But we're also supposed to be aware of the signs of the times.  There's no contradiction between the two such as you imply.  

If you were Joseph or Mary and heard that Herod was killing all the male babies in order to get to Christ, would you have "trusted God's Holy Providence" by staying put and not fleeing to Egypt?  Should they have not been concerned by this particular form of "government malfeasance"?

Matthew ( the mod ) probably thinks I am one of the fatalists.  No, I am a survivalist, I just take issue with the methods of others.  They want to store guns and food, gold and silver.  My method is to go to France and try to find a Catholic community while awaiting the Great Monarch.  To me staying in America is the worst way to try to survive.  And what good will precious metals do you after a global stock market crash?  Not just a crash, either -- there will be no more stock market.  
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Post by: Raoul76 on February 13, 2011, 10:30:46 PM
ora pro me said:
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If the economy doesn't get as bad as the doom and gloom people say, then at least you can eat your stored food and there shouldn't be any waste of money.


That the economy is going to collapse is not an opinion, and it's not doom-and-gloom.  Just reality. To say otherwise at this point, you might as well live in Teletubbies-world such is the level of fantasy.  

All the gold in the world can't pay back America's debt, and that's just one country.  The scenario where Anti-christ comes and offers people a way out of poverty by selling their souls... Even that can't really happen.  There's not enough jobs under the current Judeo-Masonic corrupt system to support all these people anymore.  Note that I am not saying the world is overpopulated, because God has provided enough to support all these people and more.  I'm saying that the big businesses shipping out jobs to China and the governments are sick and corrupt.  The globalized system cannot continue, it's unsustainable.

Though it sounds weird, the only real way to pay back all this debt is... Death.

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Post by: Matthew on February 13, 2011, 11:48:18 PM
Bishop Williamson says there will be a Chastisement in the near future (when, is anybody's guess. He doesn't name dates.)

Odd that you and he should agree on something  :wink:
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Post by: Raoul76 on February 14, 2011, 12:07:21 AM
I'm kind of surprised to hear that there is anyone left who thinks the contrary...

But I agree with Bp. Williamson on lots of things.  I've even speculated that many potential sedes stay in the "organization that shall not be named by me" because of his influence.  He says lots of things that most of the sede clergy won't talk about, perhaps out of diplomacy, perhaps because they don't agree.
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 14, 2011, 01:14:12 PM
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Poverty is a virtue.


If it were that simple, the world should be more virtuous now than ever before.  It is not.  The spirit of poverty is a virtue.  There is no virtue is a mere lack of material goods -- especially as each man needs to make a right use of a reasonable amount of them as he goes about the harder business of trying to lead a virtuous life.

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It's a moot point for me, because I have no assets to "protect" other than my own soul and know what it's like to have a checking account balance in the single digits.


We are part of the NINJA generation -- No income, no jobs, no assets.  Those who do have assets are often clueless, left to watch in disbelief as the Banksters rip them off again and again.

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All I'm doing is pointing out that we ought to be more worried about dangers to our own soul brought about by greed and a failure to trust in God's Holy Providence than we are worried about any government malfeasance.


Upon this point we are all agreed.
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Post by: gladius_veritatis on February 14, 2011, 01:21:12 PM
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To me staying in America is the worst way to try to survive.


Well, many do not have another realistic option.

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And what good will precious metals do you after a global stock market crash?


Precious metals will still have value within whatever new system rises from the ashes.  Men will not stop believing they have intrinsic value.  Still, it is true that we cannot eat them -- so their immediate use may be rather limited.

As for France, it will, overall, be hit the hardest, IMO, although not at the beginning.  There is no place that will not feel the force of this storm.  Many in "safer" places or situations will die, while many in less safe circumstances will live and even prosper.  God's will be praised.
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Post by: innocenza on February 14, 2011, 08:18:38 PM
Just trying to learn:

When the disaster hits, do you think the power supply will not be interrupted?  If it is, you will need a generator to run your refrigerator and other essential household electric appliances.  Will it still be feasible to get gasoline to fuel your generator?

If you have gotten rid of your paper money in favor of silver, how usable will that be when there are no consumer commodities left in the stores to purchase?

When Joseph fled with Mary and the infant Jesus into Egypt, no mass exodus was occurring, and he was not restricted in his ability to travel other than by the physical difficulty of the journey, which was true of all travel in that time and place.  During the coming disaster, would it not be likely that mobility would be seriously decreased by the numbers of people trying to find safer conditions, all dependent upon the reliability of their automobiles and the condition of the roadways, while perhaps having to contend with the limiting of access to the highways by forces of the government
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Post by: Catholic Samurai on February 14, 2011, 09:07:02 PM
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Matthew ( the mod ) probably thinks I am one of the fatalists.  No, I am a survivalist, I just take issue with the methods of others.  They want to store guns and food, gold and silver.  My method is to go to France and try to find a Catholic community while awaiting the Great Monarch.  To me staying in America is the worst way to try to survive.


Raoul, are you willing to face the Russians and Chinese at the Rhine, or be entrenched and surrounded by Moors and Reds? France will be a hot-spot just as much if not more so than America.
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Post by: Catholic Samurai on February 14, 2011, 09:10:44 PM
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Just trying to learn:

When the disaster hits, do you think the power supply will not be interrupted?  If it is, you will need a generator to run your refrigerator and other essential household electric appliances.  Will it still be feasible to get gasoline to fuel your generator?

If you have gotten rid of your paper money in favor of silver, how usable will that be when there are no consumer commodities left in the stores to purchase?



Another thing you would have to consider is that your electronics, motors, etc. wont work if there is an EMP caused by a nuke, dirty bomb, EMP gun, pole shift, etc.
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Post by: Raoul76 on February 14, 2011, 09:17:15 PM
Gladius_veritatis said:
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Well, many do not have another realistic option.


But you do.  If you can get to Hawaii to drink Chardonnay, you can get to France to fight some Muslims.

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Raoul, are you willing to face the Russians and Chinese at the Rhine, or be entrenched and surrounded by Moors and Reds? France will be a hot-spot just as much if not more so than America.


Russia will probably convert to Catholicism under the Monarch.  China is a non-issue, they are a paper tiger.  They will collapse with America.  

As for the Mohammedans, yeah, that's the big problem, and the Monarch war will be against them primarily, along with whatever atheists still remain ( those who are still clinging to Masonic ideals, if this is what you mean by "reds." )  Yes, I'd rather die this way than die in some pointless skirmish in America to restore the Constitution or whatever, this should go without saying.

France will not be hit harder than America.  It will be hit very hard because it was unfaithful to the Church.  But America is Mystery Babylon and it's going to be destroyed.  
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Post by: Raoul76 on February 14, 2011, 09:21:36 PM
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If you have gotten rid of your paper money in favor of silver, how usable will that be when there are no consumer commodities left in the stores to purchase?


It will be useful in getting you shot in the head, mainly.

Maybe you could buy silver and gold now, sell it for a profit, then buy a house in the mountains somewhere and store food and water.  That is the way to survive here, if there is any way.
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Post by: Catholic Samurai on February 14, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
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Gladius_veritatis said:
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Well, many do not have another realistic option.


But you do.  If you can get to Hawaii to drink Chardonnay, you can get to France to fight some Muslims.

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Raoul, are you willing to face the Russians and Chinese at the Rhine, or be entrenched and surrounded by Moors and Reds? France will be a hot-spot just as much if not more so than America.


Russia will probably convert to Catholicism under the Monarch.  China is a non-issue, they are a paper tiger.  They will collapse with America.  

As for the Mohammedans, yeah, that's the big problem, and the Monarch war will be against them primarily, along with whatever atheists still remain ( those who are still clinging to Masonic ideals, if this is what you mean by "reds." )  Yes, I'd rather die this way than die in some pointless skirmish in America to restore the Constitution or whatever, this should go without saying.

France will not be hit harder than America.  It will be hit very hard because it was unfaithful to the Church.  But America is Mystery Babylon and it's going to be destroyed.  


There is much to fear from Russia and China. The devastation of one's economy, doesnt necessarily mean the desolation of ones' military. N Korea for example has a very capable military despite the fact that it is one of the poorest countries in the world and is only propped up by a foreign power. Russia will not be converting anytime soon according to prophecy, and being the tactically strongest military in the world I dont believe they intend to invest their energy in building monasteries right now. Moors rioting and pillaging in any case would be a game, while an invasion from Russia and China would be apocalyptic.
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Post by: Raoul76 on February 14, 2011, 10:05:18 PM
I thought I was the one who didn't believe in the secrets of Fatima ( Russia will be converted... )

China is weak, they are nothing.  When America falls and when Europe is reduced to poverty, their export market will dry up.  That will destroy the country and reduce it to chaos.  They have no consumer economy, due to their slave-driving communist ways.  That means they have no internal strength.  To be a strong country, you have to have hearts and minds.  The Chinese hate China.

There is a reason why they are buying our debt.  The fates of America and China are intertwined.  They are mutually parasitical and can't survive without each other at this point.

This is all about Catholics vs. Islam, ultimately.  The Jews have already done the bulk of their damage.  They work behind the scenes through influence and suggestion, but that is wearing off as people wake up to the corruption of their governments and the media.  It's as if for decades, the devil has woven this magic spell, created this false reality, which is now coming apart at the seams.  The lies, the illusion, the magic simply don't work anymore, due to the poverty lurking at our doorsteps.  What kept the sham going was the "prosperity" of the West which as it turned out was all based on debt.  The devil knows that to put people to sleep, the best thing to do is throw money at them and make them weak.  But he can no longer do this.

I believe Russia will convert, along with most of Europe.  However, many will probably convert out of expediency, in order to save their skins.  This could explain why the Anti-Christ arrives so soon after the rise of the Monarch.
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Post by: Raoul76 on February 14, 2011, 10:11:03 PM
Catholic Samurai said:
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Russia will not be converting anytime soon according to prophecy, and being the tactically strongest military in the world I dont believe they intend to invest their energy in building monasteries right now. Moors rioting and pillaging in any case would be a game, while an invasion from Russia and China would be apocalyptic.


What you're not seeing is that Russia will most likely be using that military against the Muslims, not against the Catholics.  When these hordes begin pouring over the borders, they will have no choice.
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Post by: Matthew on February 14, 2011, 10:23:19 PM
You're missing an important part of the Fatima message, Raoul.

The Pope, in union with all the Bishops, will first consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

If there is no pope, hierarchy, Church to speak of -- who is going to do this?

Also --

It is said that the consecration to the Immaculate Heart will mirror the late consecration of France to the Sacred Heart. It will happen, but too late.

We all know what happened to France as a result. What happened to Our Lord's requested consecration will probably happen with regard to Our Lady's as well -- she tends to suffer everything with Our Lord.

Matthew