Author Topic: Evidence that Scottish referedum was rigged (Read 2961 times)

awkwardcustomer · « **on:** September 23, 2014, 06:24:42 PM »

This site complies some of the growing body of evidence of dirty dealings at the referendum count.
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/vote-fraud-in-scottish-referendum.html

As does this site
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/22/scottish-referendum-vote-rigging-claims-recount-petitions

And this from Inforwars, starts at 1.00

And also

This is worth a read
http://thebutterflyrebellion.org/2014/09/23/the-sabotage-of-scotlands-democracy/

And so is this
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=7780

"It matters not who votes, only who counts the votes."
(Attributed to Stalin)

The YES campaigners aren't giving up. A petition calling for a judicial review and recount has already attracted 70,000 signatures.

The Scots aren't stupid. They're just no match for the Westminster/City of London/bankster elite.

PG · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2014, 09:24:19 PM »

I honestly did not have time to follow any of this independence movement going on in scotland. My gut feeling was that a no vote would be best. However, it looks as though this was a rigged election. And, that is very upsetting.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2014, 09:39:21 PM »

People I know familiar with Scotland and their politics pretty much concur that something isn't right about the movement toward independence. It's not easy for an uninformed American to say one way or the other -- we did this over 200 years ago.

But it's not the same situation in Scotland as it was here.

I really appreciate the links -- but I haven't read them yet.

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PG · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2014, 09:46:47 PM »

For example, Jєωs targeted ukraine in order to influence EU/Russia relations. They might also like to turn scotland into another headquarters in which to have more influence in the EU/USA relationship. And, in my opinion they would not have any trouble doing something to a small place like that. Perhaps the in your face election fraud was on purpose to be used to rile up scots into a mob to making demands similar to what happened in ukraine. That is how they have been doing it lately. We will see. If it becomes mainstream news, I would say that it is the case.

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #4 on:** September 24, 2014, 05:42:10 AM »

Here is a brief summary of some of the evidence of vote rigging - evidence which has been reported in the mainstream media.

Photographs of YES votes placed on the NO tables in counting stations.

A woman vote counter filmed placing Yes votes into a NO pile.

A man vote counter filmed filling in ballot papers.

Fire alarms being set off during the count in Dundee, a Yes stronghold, and ballot boxes and papers left unattended during the evacuation.

A strangely low reported turnout in Glasgow, another YES stronghold.

Sealed ballot boxes being opened with the ballot papers already having been sorted into bundles.

Eye witness reports of ballot boxes being emptied into car boots (trunks).

A stream of reports from counting officials claiming that there was little or no supervision over which ballot boxes came from where.

Ballot boxes being transported around Scotland in private vehicles with little or no security.

Reports of ballot papers with no serial numbers, meaning that they couldn't be checked against the voters' register.

No exit polls.

2 Russian observers claiming that the ballot count did not meet international standards.

Ballot papers sent out to children.

Claims that the Irish government was told, 2 days before the referendum, to discontinue drawing up plans on how to deal with an independent Scotland. Several countries had been making such plans in the event of a YES vote.

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #5 on:** September 24, 2014, 05:48:04 AM »

Look at the cross in the YES box. And the NO sign on the table.

Hope this works.

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2014, 06:14:59 AM »

I've just discovered this.

Mary Pitcaithly, Chief Returning Officer for the Scottish referendum, with overall responsibility for the ballot count, has links to Common Purpose.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mary_pitcaithy_and_common_purpos?unfold=1

Common Purpose (CP) is a Charity, based in Great Britain, which creates ‘Future Leaders’ of society. CP selects individuals and "trains" them to learn how society works, who pulls the "levers of power" and how CP "graduates" can use this knowledge to lead "Outside Authority".

http://www.cpexposed.com/

It gets worse and worse.

PS. There are rumours of massive oil deposits having been discovered off the coast of Shetland, to be kept secret until after the referendum result.

Meg · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2014, 09:06:10 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

People I know familiar with Scotland and their politics pretty much concur that something isn't right about the movement toward independence. It's not easy for an uninformed American to say one way or the other -- we did this over 200 years ago.

But it's not the same situation in Scotland as it was here.

I really appreciate the links -- but I haven't read them yet.

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I supported the move toward Scottish independence, but I worried a bit that the if independence were achieved, then those who want to control Scotland for NWO purposes might get the upper hand.

But still, it might be good to remember how the Union (UK) formed in the first place. In 1707, the UK began to be formed so that the Jacobites, who wanted a Catholic monarch to rule Scotland, would not be successful in their aims. The Scottish Jacobite ιnѕυrrєcтισns in 1715 and 1745 were an attempt to install the Catholic successors to the throne, but instead the Protestant Hanoverians won out. The Hanoverians, along with the English parliament wanted to make sure that a Catholic monarch would not ever reign again in Scotland or England, so Scotland had to become part of the Union. At least this is my basic understanding. Awkward Customer can likely give a much better explanation.

It doesn't surprise me that the vote was rigged. The 'powers that be' didn't want an independent Scotland in 1707, and they don't want it now. Hopefully the Scots will not give up on achieving independence.

ggreg · « **Reply #8 on:** September 24, 2014, 09:34:09 AM »

This is one reason I find Trads so difficult to deal with. They are incredibly stupid and blinkered when they wish to be.

They jump with both feet into every conspiracy bath that anyone runs as long as they get to splash the opposition with the water. They never stand back and question how likely their version of events is, or what problems it would cause if the conspirators acted in that brazen way. As long as an interpretation can be made that the big bad bogeyman did something naughty they'll swallow it, hook line and sinker like cult members.

Those votes have been verified (so the number of ballot papers were counted) but were still to be sorted into Yes/No piles, so there would have been a mixture of both Yes and No votes on that table. Both Yes and No votes are bundled together in the first stage. Once the number of ballot papers are confirmed for all the votes and checked against records, then the papers are separated into Yes and No piles.

There are election observers at all of these places and there have been for as long as I have been alive. A large administrative effort is put into auditing elections and reducing the possibility of fraud. Those people are volunteers motivated by their desire to make the elections free and fair. In short, elections are designed to be fair, staffed by people who desire them to be fair, observed by people checking on those people who also take their responsibilities seriously.

Here is how it works.

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/141989/Part-E-Verifying-and-counting-the-votes-SLG.pdf

There is a perfectly rational explanation for it if you are rational enough to understand it. If you want to believe that Scotland is a third world country where people are rigging elections in full view, then nothing anyone can say or do can stop you.

You can't fix stupid.

Meg · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2014, 10:31:27 AM »

Quote from: awkwardcustomer

I've just discovered this.

Mary Pitcaithly, Chief Returning Officer for the Scottish referendum, with overall responsibility for the ballot count, has links to Common Purpose.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mary_pitcaithy_and_common_purpos?unfold=1

Common Purpose (CP) is a Charity, based in Great Britain, which creates ‘Future Leaders’ of society. CP selects individuals and "trains" them to learn how society works, who pulls the "levers of power" and how CP "graduates" can use this knowledge to lead "Outside Authority".

http://www.cpexposed.com/

It gets worse and worse.

PS. There are rumours of massive oil deposits having been discovered off the coast of Shetland, to be kept secret until after the referendum result.

I had not ever heard of Common Purpose until the above link was posted, but in doing a bit of research, found this article. I don't know about the website that hosts the article and can't vouch for its accuracy, but the last two paragraphs are disturbing:

http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/leveson-inquiry-control-press-and-media-david-bell’s-common-purpose

ggreg · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2014, 10:36:55 AM »

In the statement, a spokesman responded: "The chief counting officer is satisfied that all counts throughout Scotland were properly conducted and scrutinised by thousands of people representing both the Yes Scotland and the Better Together campaigns, as well as international election observers, media and police.

"None of these people raised any concerns during the verification, counting and adjudication stages."

He added: "The Electoral Commission will write a full report on the referendum and concerns can also be directed to them."

"The only recourse now is to judicial review. The individual would have to persuade the courts that there had been issues at counts which had a chance of influencing the result.

"Each of the episodes in the video can be easily explained. However they are presented as a 'conspiracy' theory.

"It is most frustrating and does not recognise the immense work that so many people put into the planning and delivery of the count."

Responding to the first clip, he wrote: "The lady taking papers from one pile to another. I have no idea what is happening, where it is happening or even if it is part of this referendum.

"Clearly if looks like she has put some papers on a pile by mistake and is then putting them right. The video is looped so it is deceptive in its presentation."

Ballots were counted at a central count in Edinburgh and in local authority areas across Scotland
Responding to the second and third clips: "This is not Clackmannanshire but Dundee. It was apparently explained live on TV what had happened.

"This was at the verification stage. The papers had not been split into Yes/No. They were briefly stored on the counted papers table. There is nothing to explain.

"Edinburgh element - the count assistant in the video is doing what is a standard element of any count process.

"He has counted papers into bundles of 50 and those leftover are bundled together and a slip of paper is placed on the top of the bundle saying how many are in the bundle.

"The count assistant is writing a number on a slip of paper and putting it under the elastic band on the bundle. This happens at every count."

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2014, 11:42:23 AM »

ggreg said

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This was at the verification stage. The papers had not been split into Yes/No. They were briefly stored on the counted papers table. There is nothing to explain.

Goodness me. You would think that with so much detailed planning and careful scrutiny they could at least have provided a separate table for votes that had not yet been split into Yes/No. It wouldn't have been difficult and seems like such a basic, elementary thing.

Why store ballot papers that had not yet been split Yes/No on the NO table? It seems a ridiculous way to carry out a count, one that could so easily lead to confusion and foster the kind of 'conspiracy theories' you criticise.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2014, 01:18:46 PM »

Americans are used to voter fraud. Just about every election is rigged. Can you blame us? We're lied to constantly. This nation is on an IV drip of poisonous lies.

ggreg · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2014, 03:22:31 PM »

Quote from: awkwardcustomer

ggreg said
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This was at the verification stage. The papers had not been split into Yes/No. They were briefly stored on the counted papers table. There is nothing to explain.

Goodness me. You would think that with so much detailed planning and careful scrutiny they could at least have provided a separate table for votes that had not yet been split into Yes/No. It wouldn't have been difficult and seems like such a basic, elementary thing.

Why store ballot papers that had not yet been split Yes/No on the NO table? It seems a ridiculous way to carry out a count, one that could so easily lead to confusion and foster the kind of 'conspiracy theories' you criticise.

Ridiculous or not, that is the way it is done. All systems have advantages and disadvantages.

The point is, it is not rigged.

There were 10 postal vote frauds, all are being investigated by the cops. 10 out of a difference of 400,000 votes between the yeses and noes ain't much.

Meg · « **Reply #14 on:** September 24, 2014, 04:08:11 PM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Americans are used to voter fraud. Just about every election is rigged. Can you blame us? We're lied to constantly. This nation is on an IV drip of poisonous lies.

True. And yet Greg would have us believe that in Scotland, there is no voter fraud, and that it is not rigged. But then he's against Scotland having independence. He's English. No surprise there.