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Online Ladislaus

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« on: June 03, 2015, 02:33:01 PM »
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  •  :applause:

    Fantastic Video


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    « Reply #1 on: June 03, 2015, 09:35:42 PM »
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  • Yes I agree, this video might be their best quality in terms of visuals and editing.
    Also the clarity and conciseness of this video are exceptional.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 02:33:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: tdrev123
    Yes I agree, this video might be their best quality in terms of visuals and editing.
    Also the clarity and conciseness of this video are exceptional.


    Sometimes they talk a bit fast and some of their points go over the heads of the less educated, but it's a great video.

    I used to be of the opinion that the universe could be much older than 6,000 years but that it's dogmatic truth that human beings have only been around about 6,000 years or so (based on Sacred Scripture).  I came to that conclusion based on the idea that the terms "day" and "night" couldn't have been defined the same way due to the fact that sun and moon didn't exist for the first three days.

    But the evidence from the supernova remnants suggests the age of the entire universe to be in the thousands rather than in the billions or millions of years.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 04, 2015, 04:22:37 PM »
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  • I guess a broken clock is right twice a day.

    I'm not too surprised that the Dimond Brothers got something like "the existence of God" correct. But when I clicked on the next video, they went off the deep end right away.

    They gave their own personal -- as well as twisted and labored -- interpretation of what it meant to recognize the Pope.

    Their arguments are full of such holes, leaps, false premises, false conclusions, and falsehoods.

    So I can't recommend any of their other videos.

    Let's not forget how many Catholics owe their "home aloner" schismatic tendencies to the Dimond brothers.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 04, 2015, 09:20:26 PM »
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  • Yep.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #5 on: June 05, 2015, 09:25:25 AM »
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    So I can't recommend any of their other videos.


    They do a lot of good work even if you disagree with some of their positions.  They've done a ton of good work in the realm of (anti-Protestant) apologetics.  Their life of Padre Pio is one of the best I've ever read.  So we needn't throw the baby out with the bathwater IMO.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 13, 2015, 04:04:24 PM »
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  • We should stop destroying this planet.
    Cars, roads, urban sprawl, it's all bad and ruins it.
    Tolkien was right to say "infernal combustion engine".

    Good video for sure - but I do agree that the delivery is
    too fast and lacks proper emphasis..
    Dimond likes to soundlike a robot.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 13, 2015, 08:34:55 PM »
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  • 1 billion earths could fit inside the sun proving that it is not possible that aliens built the sun adding to the fact that it is extremely hot and anything would disintegrate and die.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #8 on: June 13, 2015, 10:36:14 PM »
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  • Based on Matthew's reccommendation I had a look at the video, & I've rarely seen such a mish-mash of ill-informed opinion in my life.
    Disclaimer-- I'm a firm believer in Intelligent Design, but I find the Young Earth Creationist dogma to be beyond ridiculous.
    I'll deal with the first 5 minutes of the video. I assume the rest is similar.
    "Nothing produces nothing." No argument there.
    "Scientists are making all kinds of discoveries that support Creationism." Sorta true, but most of the scientists themselves don't see it that way, & they get irritated when you point it out. V. few subscribe to the Rare Earth hypothesis, which the Dimond Bros. obviously support. Most scientists believe-- or at least they say they believe-- that habitable planets are relatively common. That makes it fairly strange, to my mind, that in the on-line Exoplanets Catalog where they show approximately 30 "Earthlike" planets at last count, about 27 of them are "Earthlike" only by a definition that defies the clear meaning of words. Most are super-massive by Earth standards, meaning they've got strong to v. strong gravity. Many are so hot that it's doubtful that water could exist other than as steam. And so forth. (BTW-- I agree with the Rare Earth hypothesis, but not for the reasons given in the video.)
    "Our Sun is a highly stable star, by galactic standards." True, & a good thing.
    "Other galaxies similar to ours have hundreds of thousands or more years' worth of supernova remnants, but we can observe only about 7000 years' worth of supernova remnants in our galaxy. This means the Milky Way is only 6000 to 7000 years old."
    No, it doesn't. 1st, we can clearly see into other galaxies, since for most of the distance there's no dust. But our view of most of our own galaxy is highly obscured by interstellar dust, nebulae, star clusters, stellar illumination, & so forth.
    2d, in particular we can't see very much on the other side of the Galactic Core at all.
    And 3d, our galaxy could equally be just a relatively stable galaxy-- not a young one-- with fewer novae than average.
    Also, if there were more supernovae remnants in the Milky Way then we very likely wouldn't be here to worry about it, b/c some of them would be much closer to Earth. A single supernova within thousands-- perhaps tens of thousands-- of lightyears could be enough to sterilize the Earth.
    "The Earth receives just the right amount of heat from the Sun for life to exist." The implication is that the Sun is just the right size to produce just the right amount of heat. But heat is a function of distance as well as atmosphere. It would be possible to place a planet at the right distance from a star that's ½ as bright as the Sun, or 10× as bright, or anything in between, or to vary its atmosphere to give an even wider range..
    "If atmospheric oxygen on Earth was only a few percent higher then life on Earth couldn't exist." ...but it was. Studies have shown that for most of the Mesozoic, oxygen levels were about 1½× higher than now, but then during the 2d half of the Cretaceous (100 million years ago) they dropped to around modern levels, but ~5 million years ago they rose again. The thing is, these changes usually happen gradually, & species adapt.
    That's all I had time for. Sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but Bro. Dimond is an enthusiast who twists the facts to fit his theories whenever it suits him to do so.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 13, 2015, 10:46:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Graehame
    I'm a firm believer in Intelligent Design, but I find the Young Earth Creationist dogma to be beyond ridiculous.

    How old do you think the earth is? And how old is the earth according to the traditional liturgy?
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    « Reply #10 on: June 13, 2015, 11:07:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Graehame

    Disclaimer-- I'm a firm believer in Intelligent Design, but I find the Young Earth Creationist dogma to be beyond ridiculous.


    No to say the earth is billions of years old is ridiculous, you can't believe in an old earth and reject macroevolution, it just doesn't make sense if you think about it clearly.  

    I used to be very into YEC and I have done a ton of research and to me it is not even debatable.  

    Just read a lot of articles from creation.com


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    « Reply #11 on: June 14, 2015, 02:56:28 AM »
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  • I don't know a lot of science, so I'm apt to hold off on believing this. After all, a lot of the evidence for YEC fails after being thoroughly examined.....
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    « Reply #12 on: June 14, 2015, 03:13:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Graehame

    Disclaimer-- I'm a firm believer in Intelligent Design, but I find the Young Earth Creationist dogma to be beyond ridiculous.


    That is probably a result of brainwashing by the school system, the media etc. You talk of what scientists think as though they were unanimous on the subject.

    Yes billions of years is ridiculous and anti Catholic. Graehame, you have a bit of study to do. Here is a Catholic site.

    http://kolbecenter.org/category/c10-articles-and-essays/
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    « Reply #13 on: June 14, 2015, 01:40:47 PM »
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  • Not holding to young earth creationism is not anti-Catholic, nor is it theologically incorrect. Get a grip.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 14, 2015, 03:09:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: MrYeZe
    Not holding to young earth creationism is not anti-Catholic, nor is it theologically incorrect. Get a grip.


    It is certainly anti-Genesis because if you don't hold to young earth creationism you believe the account of creation given in Genesis is not true.

    To me it sounds about as Catholic as those who say when the Bible says Jesus multiplied the loaves and fishes to fees the multitudes he didn't really work a miracle, it was just the people sharing food that they already had.
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