Author Topic: Evictions in Ireland (Read 2612 times)

John Grace · « **on:** August 27, 2012, 12:12:21 PM »

The English evicting Irish people from their homes continues in Ireland. Here is a video where an Irish government minister is confronted. There was a protest against Savills in Dublin last Friday.

Arrest at Rabbitte lunch

Also in Ireland there is the case of Seamus Sherlock in Limerick.

All this is happening as strong opposition grows to the proposed property tax. There is a strong campaign against a tax on a family home.

John Grace · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2012, 12:18:34 PM »

Seamus Sherlock has barricaded his farm and supporters are waiting for an eviction attempt to be made.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/LIFE-AFTER-DEBT-Seamus-Sherlock/172617749477662

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It has been a busy few days with media calling and everything else but all is well here at the moment. We had a huge response from the public over the weekend, particularly people from my own local community who dropped in to pledge their support. Life is not easy but to all those who have manned the farm with us, dropped off supplies, have called, text, contacted me through email or Facebook, I want you to know that both me and the kids are really appreciative of all of your efforts, it has further strengthened our resolve and we hope that there will be a positive outcome to all of this. Thanks again.

Farmer facing eviction hopeful of settlement
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/farmer-facing-eviction-hopeful-of-settlement-205270.html

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By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent
Saturday, August 25, 2012
A Limerick farmer who has blockaded the entrance to his home with tonnes of baled silage has said there are fresh hopes a settlement can be secured with Bank of Scotland, which got a court eviction order against him over an unpaid debt.
Seamus Sherlock, who farms at Feohanagh, near Newcastle West, received a letter last week from the county registrar’s office advising him he faced eviction.

He said the bank had secured a court order over borrowings on his home and land for a sum in the region of €250,000. After he got the warning letter, he blocked the entrance to the farm with about 40 half-tonne bales of silage.

Mr Sherlock said he had endeavoured to come to a settlement with the bank and had lodged a large sum with his solicitor.

Up to 100 people a day have been calling to lend him their support and maintain night-time vigils.

Mr Sherlock, 46, a father of five, said yesterday: "My solicitor told me this morning the bank are now reconsidering the offer I made them."

Mr Sherlock said he had proposed to pay back lump sums every October to sort out the debt.

The farmer said he had been deeply moved by the support he has been receiving, with big numbers calling to offer support and staying through the night.

"I have got a huge swell of support from the people of Co Limerick and from all over Ireland. I don’t think I could explain the support I have got over recent days, to see up to 90 people congregate at my front gate, it’s incredible.

"We just want to say a sincere thank you to all the people. We have shops sending up food and people have brought up portable buildings in case it will rain. They are talking about the country on it’s knees, but this country has risen up here in the past few days. These kids of mine said they were not standing behind me, they were standing beside me. I just think there is great hope for the future."

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2012, 12:21:56 PM »

Ben Gilroy of People for Economic Justice speaking outside Savills office on Molesworth street in Dublin.

Ben Gilroy

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Ben Gilroy from the People for Economic Justice addresses Sovereign Irish people regarding the current banking crisis, just across the street is the freemasons hall on Molesworth street and up the street is Buswell's hotel where many a deal is done. We made our way up there for a coffee to get out of the rain and ran into Pat Rabitte see video.

Roman55 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »

Tiffany · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2012, 12:21:23 AM »

John Grace would you explain the issue more? From the article it looks like he has a defaulted loan? I don't understand the issue.

Tiffany · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2012, 12:37:57 AM »

I watched the first video, so British banks own property loans in Southern Ireland and people are committing ѕυιcιdє because they can't pay the loan? Are they adjustable rate loans?

Tiffany · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2012, 12:48:09 AM »

What does property tax have to do with banks? Isn't property tax the county?

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2012, 07:29:49 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

What does property tax have to do with banks? Isn't property tax the county?

I was making the point that as a significant percentage of the Irish population are now more aware of the swindle of modern banking, it comes at a time when there is opposition to the proposed tax on a family home. This property tax replaces the "household charge". A significant number of people haven't registered nor paid this "household charge" of 100 euro so the Irish government will have a battle to get people to pay up to 3,000 euro for this property tax.

If well over half the population haven't paid the 100 euro what hope have they of collecting the property tax.

The Irish tax revolt made the news in other countries and there are a few articles about it on Cath Info.

John Grace · « **Reply #8 on:** August 29, 2012, 07:38:00 AM »

Relevant videoes

Constitution Halts Sheriff

Ben Gilroy Halts Receivers

"A wee update for you folks :-) The case against Gerry was thrown out of court today in it's entirety .... As I hear more I'll let you know
Kind regards"

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** August 29, 2012, 07:44:43 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

John Grace would you explain the issue more? From the article it looks like he has a defaulted loan? I don't understand the issue.

People in Ireland are now more aware of the swindle of modern banking and this is worrying the banks.

Many Traditional Catholics are educating others about usury, money manipulation and other topics. Compared to a few years ago people are more aware of things now.

One of the things that I and others do is write letters for those in trouble with the banks. It's one of the many projects I'm working on.

Traditional Catholics need to be leading the way in rebuilding Christendom.

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** August 29, 2012, 07:57:32 AM »

There is probably a need for a specific thread on the property tax but this article shows how there is opposition.It's more realistic to ask will a property tax be in place " by the middle of next year". I can't see the so called Irish government being in power by the middle of next year. It took Fianna Fail decades to become unpopular. The current crowd of Fine Gael/Labour are in much trouble.Their coalition government is cracking each day. They became unpopular in just over a year in government.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0829/1224323180974.html

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Head of auctioneering body warns against property tax

JOANNE HUNT

THE NEWS that a valuation-based property tax is set to be in place by the middle of next year was met with a mixed reaction yesterday.

Liam O’Donnell, president of the Institute of Professional Auctioneers and Valuers, described the introduction of a property tax at this juncture as “absolutely crazy”.

“Undoubtedly it will cause problems. It will certainly affect the recovery of the property market,” he said.

Mr O’Donnell, whose organisation represents 900 auctioneers and valuers in the Republic, said: “We have people in negative equity and people struggling to pay mortgages. It just can’t be right to consider levying these people with an additional tax.”

Describing the tax as “selective”, he said: “It’s taxing only the people who have gone to the trouble of buying and arranging mortgages. They probably have families and have spent on education . . . There is so much coming down the track with water charges, another tax is not going to help anybody. It’s certainly not going to help the property market.”

Roland O’Connell, president of the Society of Chartered Surveyors Ireland, said his organisation “could see the sense and fairness of having a residential property tax in lieu of stamp duty”.

He said compared with stamp duty a property tax was “relatively predictable, stable and fair, which we believe is better for everybody”.

He said the fairest way to levy the tax “might turn out to be a combination of methods, such as 50 per cent to size and 50 per cent to value”.

He said exemptions would have to be made for the elderly and those on lower incomes.

“In principle we agree with this tax in lieu of stamp duty if it’s fairly applied,” he said.

Age Action Ireland said any property tax would “render meaningless the sacrifice of low- and medium-income families who have scrimped to buy homes to pass on to their families while paying very high income tax”.

In a statement, the organisation said to avoid hardship among low-income families any tax should be based on income rather than value “to allow for people whose home has acquired a high market value that does not reflect their income or ability to pay”.

It called for the percentage value the Government is allowed charge against a property to be capped.

It said that this had to be done to protect the property of older people potentially having three charges levied against it: the property tax, the Fair Deal scheme and the proposed community care charge.

John Grace · « **Reply #11 on:** August 29, 2012, 08:08:53 AM »

Phil Hogan is the government minister responsible for the "household charge".

Here he is running in the back door away from the people in Glenties

Phil Hogan

His political party Fine Gael "muzzled" him during the campaign on the Fiscal Union Treaty/EU. He isn't taken seriously and has become the gombeen figure of Irish politics.

Tiffany · « **Reply #12 on:** August 29, 2012, 08:36:37 AM »

John Grace thank for the info, I look forward to watching those videos.

ggreg · « **Reply #13 on:** August 29, 2012, 10:19:40 AM »

Extreme cases make bad laws.

It was obvious that property prices in Ireland were massively over-inflated. Ireland has for hundreds of years been a poor country with little work, bad weather and poor transport links to the rest of Europe. Why should it become the new French Riviera with property fetching more on the outskirts of Dublin than London (a city of enormous trade and commercial importance).

If you screw with the market and have a debt jubilee you're only stealing from the next generation of young people who have to buy their first house by keeping the prices artificially high. I know from my own family members that younger people are getting married later and later simply because they cannot afford housing. That will have a detrimental effect on society.

The just solution is to have a free market for housing and tax second homes and buy-to-let landlords heavily, plus build enough homes so that they are affordable. A three bedroom house should in justice cost about 3-5 years of your gross wages. Have strict lending and borrowing criteria to buffer price rises. Houses are people's homes not some speculative instrument. People have a right to houses, food and the basic necessities of life.

As for negative equity, you're unlikely to ever face that if you've been prudent and saved up a 20-30% deposit. If you have no deposit and have bought the house with borrowed money or have bought at the top of the market which has dropped 40% or more then you've been fiscally imprudent.

House price crashes come and go every decade or so.

We're in a funny money system and you have to prudently deal with that reality. Houses are overpriced but a Catholic man working hard from 20 years old and saving $10,000 per year (which is doable) can have a £50,000 deposit by the time he is 25. That is a healthy deposit on a $200k house which will get you something in most parts of the civilised world.

If that is what is required, then that is what you have to do. People in China work objectively far harder just to stay fed.

Belloc · « **Reply #14 on:** August 29, 2012, 10:33:15 AM »

I get a loto f investment updates on fire sales in Ireland.....is some ways, good for the investor or buyer, but one cannot-if one hasa good formed Catholic conscience, be sad too, as this means some are ruined financially and that includes families now close to or at poverty.....thanks to poor leadership in Ireland, the EU and the push/lies to make materialists out of us all......plenty of blame to go around,, no real solutions coming forward.

talked to a guy ths weekend, age 60, retired builder and dentist....lives in Donegal, born in N. ireland.....he tells me teh situation and that taxes so bad in Ireland, he switched his citizenship to N. Ireland, where taxes are a lot less.
Plus a general feeling of malaise and "we cant do nothing about nothing" mentality..he feels, in part due to long slavery of the Irish to Britian.....a keep the head down, dont try anything mentality.......he found this when he started his side career as a builder in the 90's....also, noted that the Irish became very rich, successul and hence turned from the Fide, too big for brithces is how he states and too smug.....

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