Author Topic: Everyone on CathInfo agrees with this statement (Read 63361 times)

Matthew · « **on:** February 12, 2011, 11:37:44 AM »

All CathInfo members must agree to this, or step forward and be banned:

Traditio needs to be admonished for their slander (spreading untruths about another) of the SSPX. They seem to exhibit hatred, which is evidenced by interpreting every action of their enemy as evil. They seem to go to great pains in some cases to do this.

Silence implies consent to the bolded part, above.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2011, 11:42:34 AM »

I recently discussed the flaws of the SSPX in another thread -- anyone is welcome to paste them here. I don't mind legitimate criticism. I'm not an SSPX fanboy. I have listed many of their flaws on CathInfo (including a couple days ago). What I mind is LYING or spreading lies that can easily be proven as lies!

For example, there was a recent thread about a Mass in Lourdes, France. The video showed a devout Solemn High Mass being celebrated, but the commentary on Traditio was ludicrous. I am convinced they CAN'T be of good will in this particular case. To interpret such a video as something evil can only come about via hatred. Only hatred could cause such a gross distortion of reality.

Therefore, they should be admonished.

Matthew

Jehanne · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:09:28 PM »

I have sent them a few emails in defense of the SSPX. However, I do not agree with everything that the SSPX has to say, either, especially some of their calumny against Father Feeney, but that's another topic.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:31:45 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

I have sent them a few emails in defense of the SSPX. However, I do not agree with everything that the SSPX has to say, either, especially some of their calumny against Father Feeney, but that's another topic.

You can criticize them; the truth is the truth. As long as you're after truth, I'm OK with it.

I would defend anyone against outright lies and slander.

Let the record show that I even deleted many posts in the Ode thread that weren't called for.

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:43:49 PM »

I don't go to traditio.com but once a year to download the newest directory of traditional Mass sites.

I was not impressed with the icons showing "good" and "bad" Mass sites they started using in the 2010 directory. They have a scowling face for Mass sites they consider bad and a smiling face for Mass sites they consider good. Last year they put these scowling faces on SSPX Mass sites. It seems to me that it would be better to simply do as they used to do and indicate whether the Mass sites were diocesan, independent, SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, (or other particular order) and allow the user of the directory to make his own decision on the matter.

I agree that any website that spreads slander should be admonished and agree that whatever it is Traditio has done that is slanderous should be admonished and I readily condemn their silly "good" and "bad" icons on the Mass directory. If there were another Mass directory source as complete as Traditio's I would use it.

Is it possible that Traditio and the Dimond Brothers are one and the same...of have they excommunicated one another already?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2011, 01:21:45 PM »

I agree that Traditio is way out of line when it comes to criticizing the SSPX. I rarely go to Traditio, I've seen a few good articles there that had nothing to do with the SSPX but otherwise I'm not a fan of that site. They act as if they expect the SSPX to be perfect.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2011, 01:47:21 PM »

Traditio is a hard nut to crack because the "Fathers Moderator" are anonymous. Some well-connected, intelligent people I know believe Fr C/Bp D may be (partially?) behind Traditio, but it is impossible to know for certain. The "smileys" and "frownies" that have been attached to each Mass center do, at least, harmonize with the thinking of DD and AC -- ALL frownies for SSPX or Diocesan sites, while smileys are reserved for the same places that DD and AC would "approve."

Admonishing them when necessary is fine, but, without certainty as to the identities of those involved, to whom do you address the message?

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2011, 03:42:57 PM »

I thought it was a Fr. Morrison's creation. An independent traditionalist priest who says Mass at Fisherman's Chapel in San Francisco.

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2011, 04:24:24 PM »

Who do you admonish?

The group "traditio", I guess via this forum, since they have no personal identity to speak of.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2011, 01:41:08 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

I thought it was a Fr. Morrison's creation. An independent traditionalist priest who says Mass at Fisherman's Chapel in San Francisco.

I have heard the same, and have been to the chapel you mention.

However, the site itself uses the plural when speaking of the Traditio Fathers, or some such lingo.

Sigismund · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2011, 07:49:01 PM »

When I first started reading the site, it was just Father Moderator. Then, suddenly, everything was plural. I have always wondered if he actually picked up a fellow traveler or two, or if the one priest involved just decided acting like more people would increase his trad street cred.

Things have definitely gotten crazier in Traditio-land in the years I have been reading it.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:11:24 AM »

I have been over to Traditio a few times. Personally, I find many commentaries there to be incredulous. I think the authors, who ever they are, find some story and twist the truth around in many ways.

Having said that, I cannot say that SSPX is beyond reproach. I attend a small chapel where my family receives the Sacraments. It is where we are for now. I cannot say where God will lead us in the future. I also understand the sede position and I am not willing to excoriate those who firmly hold that position, either. However, discourse, true discourse, is quite useful to pound ideas out and get to the truth.

Wessex · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2011, 08:17:33 PM »

Well, Traditio does cover issues out there in the wider 'Catholic' world. Particularly, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/paedophile cases which for some strange reason go unreported on most trad sites. Ratzinger's church .... or should we say homo club .... is sinking fast and we should do all we can to bury it. Why the SSPX wants to get closer to a sinking ship, beats me. But then Bp. Fellay is a modernist at heart and would readily join the pantheon if he could get away with it. However, he is modernising in small steps and this strange Lourdes event is a foretaste of what is to come. I would counsel site owners to point their guns at the doomed conciliar enterprise and trad defectors rather than at each other.

Charles · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2011, 09:01:17 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

Well, Traditio does cover issues out there in the wider 'Catholic' world. Particularly, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/paedophile cases which for some strange reason go unreported on most trad sites. Ratzinger's church .... or should we say homo club .... is sinking fast and we should do all we can to bury it. Why the SSPX wants to get closer to a sinking ship, beats me. But then Bp. Fellay is a modernist at heart and would readily join the pantheon if he could get away with it. However, he is modernising in small steps and this strange Lourdes event is a foretaste of what is to come. I would counsel site owners to point their guns at the doomed conciliar enterprise and trad defectors rather than at each other.

Hi Wessex,
So, if it's true what you say about H.E. Bp. Fellay, what is keeping him from defecting ?

What do you mean "get away with it " ? He may not be as blunt and bold as H.E. Bp. Williamson, but I've not seen anything he's said that strikes me as modernist.

But, I'm all ears.

pax

Charles · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2011, 09:05:43 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

All CathInfo members must agree to this, or step forward and be banned:

Traditio needs to be admonished for their slander (spreading untruths about another) of the SSPX. They seem to exhibit hatred, which is evidenced by interpreting every action of their enemy as evil. They seem to go to great pains in some cases to do this.

Silence implies consent to the bolded part, above.

Hi Matthew,
I find their tone a put off. One need not be vile in pointing out another's errors or faults. But I see a lot of that there.

pax