Author Topic: Everyone goes to Heaven just obey your conscience (Read 5890 times)

MyrnaM · « **on:** September 11, 2013, 10:01:15 PM »

Even I can't believe he would be this bold, and say this:

http://tinyurl.com/pn3eggn

SSPX if this is true, think again.

I would have put this in the crisis area, but he is your pope.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #1 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:08:19 PM »

The "meat" of the story for those like me who don't like to click. : )

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Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”

MaterDominici · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:13:22 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

I would have put this in the crisis area, but he is your pope.

LOL
It's called "Crisis in the Church", not SV Central. I'm pretty sure this is a cut-and-dried Crisis topic, but will leave it for now.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:13:23 PM »

I haven't been following him since he has been elected, so this was really a surprise when I saw it on Facebook.

But what is even funnier, on the side there is a click to read in July he said he was giving indulgences to those who followed him on Twitter. Their Purgatory would be reduced.

The good news is, at least he believes in Purgatory.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:25:37 PM »

The wife made a great point when I told her about this. An atheist who begins to believe in God sins.

jen51 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:36:48 PM »

The average atheist/pagan/what-have-you conscience is more than likely so seared, I don't know how they'd differentiate between their conscience and their emotions.

Most people on this earth have heard of God and they have rejected him. The scriptures and Tradition have been abundantly clear about the consequence of that decision.

If Pope Francis were to cold call me, I would ask him to expound upon his statements on this matter, in hopes that I have misunderstood him. Unfortunately, I don't think I have.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:42:37 PM »

There's another thread on here about this same inanity, and I'll say here what I said there:

So, if your conscience isn't violated by killing babies, carry on?

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:45:15 PM »

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Francis-You-dont-have-to-believe-in-God-to-go-to-Heaven

Robin · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2013, 10:56:49 PM »

Yes, Francis is very unusual. His comments have been quite strange for a Catholic. No less the Pope.

Gaudium in Space · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2013, 11:03:22 PM »

Quote from: jen51

If Pope Francis were to cold call me, I would ask him to expound upon his statements on this matter, in hopes that I have misunderstood him. Unfortunately, I don't think I have.

It's funny that you mentioned Pope Francis randomly calling people because the only cases I know of where he unequivocally identifies himself as Pope and not Bishop of Rome (or worse, call me Jorge!) were the two times he randomly called Catholics who had written to him.

poche · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2013, 11:07:36 PM »

Quote from: Mithrandylan

The wife made a great point when I told her about this. An atheist who begins to believe in God sins.

An athiest who begins to believe in God is on his way to the Catholic Faith.

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2013, 11:09:27 PM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

There's another thread on here about this same inanity, and I'll say here what I said there:

So, if your conscience isn't violated by killing babies, carry on?

This type of question is where natural law comes in.

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2013, 11:10:36 PM »

Quote from: Robin

Yes, Francis is very unusual. His comments have been quite strange for a Catholic. No less the Pope.

This may be why we should all be praying for the pope.

Luker · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2013, 11:56:40 PM »

But if the pope doesn't have the Catholic faith, or even really believe in God, if he just follows his conscience he's still okay... right? I mean he isn't making ex cathedra statements so we can just ignore the Vicar of Christ right? Kinda like the embarrassing drunken uncle at the family reunion... right?

Rhetorical question: Does this mean that the 70s are back? Disco and bell bottoms too?

Well, I'm sure someone will be along to explain how all the Church Fathers and Doctors universally taught this, that you don't need to believe in God to see the beatific vision... implicit desire, invincible ignorance, natives trapped on desert islands and so on and so forth.

All these large helpings of cognitive dissonance today are making me puke. First the ex-KGB President of Russia writes an Op-Ed piece in the N(j)ew York Times giving peace and democracy lessons to the Nobel 'Peace Prize' winning, self-proclaimed leader of the free world, Barack Obama... and now this.

It's enough to turn a man to drink

:alcohol:

Old Chinese proverb/curse: May you live in interesting times...

Luke

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2013, 12:42:50 AM »

Quote from: Luker

But if the pope doesn't have the Catholic faith, or even really believe in God, if he just follows his conscience he's still okay... right? I mean he isn't making ex cathedra statements so we can just ignore the Vicar of Christ right? Kinda like the embarrassing drunken uncle at the family reunion... right?

Rhetorical question: Does this mean that the 70s are back? Disco and bell bottoms too?

Well, I'm sure someone will be along to explain how all the Church Fathers and Doctors universally taught this, that you don't need to believe in God to see the beatific vision... implicit desire, invincible ignorance, natives trapped on desert islands and so on and so forth.

All these large helpings of cognitive dissonance today are making me puke. First the ex-KGB President of Russia writes an Op-Ed piece in the N(j)ew York Times giving peace and democracy lessons to the Nobel 'Peace Prize' winning, self-proclaimed leader of the free world, Barack Obama... and now this.

It's enough to turn a man to drink

:alcohol:

Old Chinese proverb/curse: May you live in interesting times...

Luke

All the more reason to pray for the pope.