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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 11:11:38 AM »
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    When did this practice of sending the children off to live by themselves after high school begin? Practically every American sends their children off to college or to live by themselves. The children are never seen again for the rest of their lives, except for Christmas & Eastern, and the grandchildren and cousins never see or even get to know each other. There's no "familia" anymore.


    I think it began in earnest with the upper classes, and then filtered down after WWII with the GI Bill.

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    « Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 11:26:12 AM »
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    I think it began in earnest with the upper classes, and then filtered down after WWII with the GI Bill.


    I think Augustine is correct. The G.I. Bill expanded college education opportunities to literally millions of men that would never have gone to college without the bill. The idea of universal college education in America snowballed after that event.


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    « Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 12:18:19 PM »
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  • My impression is that America's birth rate declined in the late 19th Century, in part, as a result of Protestant ministers embracing family planning or "planned parenthood" and as as result the ideal family fell from a dozen kids to around 6 kids.  Eventually contraception  was accepted as part of normal family life and the ideal family fell from 6 kids to 3 kids.  All the while, immigration replaced the dwindling fertility and immigrants eventually accepted the standards of their new country as their own.  Of course, contraceptives helped fuel licentiousness.  Now we've got 50% divorce rate and 1 in 4 women had at least one abortion.  The birth rate among any white population in The World is below replacement.  Many Oriental populations are below replacement and, surprisingly, many Muslim countries are also breeding below replacement.  Countries like Mexico have seen dramatic declines in birth rate and Puerto Rico, for example, is already below replacement.  Haiti is above replacement, but their life expectancy is below 40.  As Baby Boomers age and die off, America may experience a real decline in actual population, for the first time, I would think.  Of course, America is not unique in that regard.  Japan is apparently far ahead of us in this problem, but will probably just open its doors to waves of non-Japanese immigrants, seeking a better life in a rich country like Japan.  I would think that countries will have to compete for immigrants and the losers will see their economies get a lot smaller (collapse) and probably experience a lot of blight or "green spaces."  

    My grandfather's hometown saw half its population get up and go to America and Canada in a relatively short period of time.  That town is still on the map and still has lots of people in it, who have my last name.  Although, it is a small town and will probably remain that way.  If it ever dies, the survivors will probably just move down into the valley and contribute to that areas population.  

    At some point you might think this will produce a reaction so significant that it actually reverses the trend.  I wonder if it will or if the world will eventually decline to one last couple who decide children are too much of a hassle.  









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    « Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 11:46:41 PM »
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  • What is this "Protestant Work Ethic" all about anyway?  What, sole fide + overtime?



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    « Reply #20 on: January 07, 2012, 12:02:42 AM »
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    What is this "Protestant Work Ethic" all about anyway?  What, sole fide + overtime?



    They believe if they work hard God will reward them now, and in eternity. Some seem to think that if one is doing well materially it is a sign that they are blessed by God and it shows they have a good work ethic. It's all about work, work, act, act, do, do --- they de-emphasize prayer and the spiritual life.

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    « Reply #21 on: January 08, 2012, 09:15:44 AM »
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  • What's truly tragic, is my parents have fallen into this trap. Not so much that they're protestant, as they still consider themselves Catholics, but their actions are completely Protestant. While they have beautiful statues of Our Lady of Fatima, of Sorrows, of St. Pius the X, of St. Antony of Padua and the Child Christ, and their home enthroned to the Sacred Heart, and while they support all causes Traditional, lately, they've fallen away from Church.

    They work work work during the week (they own their own business), when Sunday comes around, they just relax all day. Our family had been put through a fairly large scandal and were treaded unfairly by jealous controlling families at our local SSPX chapel a few years back; the priest, God bless him, was put in a difficult position, but eventually had no spine in standing up for my parents in the end, while he knew they were in the right. I've tried to explain that that's no reason to stop receiving the sacraments.   I've encouraged them to go to mass with us, back to the SSPX, to try the CMRI (but they've been brainwashed to believe that sede's are somehow dangerous), anywhere. They never do.

    I don't know what else to do. Prayer, of course. I continually offer them up in my rosary and Mass. Maybe you can say a quick Hail Mary and Our Father if you read this for them today.


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    « Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 11:42:38 AM »
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    What's truly tragic, is my parents have fallen into this trap. Not so much that they're protestant, as they still consider themselves Catholics, but their actions are completely Protestant. While they have beautiful statues of Our Lady of Fatima, of Sorrows, of St. Pius the X, of St. Antony of Padua and the Child Christ, and their home enthroned to the Sacred Heart, and while they support all causes Traditional, lately, they've fallen away from Church.

    They work work work during the week (they own their own business), when Sunday comes around, they just relax all day. Our family had been put through a fairly large scandal and were treaded unfairly by jealous controlling families at our local SSPX chapel a few years back; the priest, God bless him, was put in a difficult position, but eventually had no spine in standing up for my parents in the end, while he knew they were in the right. I've tried to explain that that's no reason to stop receiving the sacraments.   I've encouraged them to go to mass with us, back to the SSPX, to try the CMRI (but they've been brainwashed to believe that sede's are somehow dangerous), anywhere. They never do.

    I don't know what else to do. Prayer, of course. I continually offer them up in my rosary and Mass. Maybe you can say a quick Hail Mary and Our Father if you read this for them today.



    Pater and Ave done.

    If you keep up you prayers for them it will all work out eventually, especially if you add some penance like fasting. Maybe give your priest a stipend to have some Masses offered for them too.


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    « Reply #23 on: January 08, 2012, 11:56:49 AM »
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    but eventually had no spine in standing up for my parents in the end, while he knew they were in the right.


    It's very strange how SSPX chapels become the way they are.  What is the explanation?  

    I think there must be something among the priests themselves that causes these situations to develop.

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    « Reply #24 on: January 08, 2012, 05:47:09 PM »
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    What's truly tragic, is my parents have fallen into this trap. Not so much that they're protestant, as they still consider themselves Catholics, but their actions are completely Protestant. While they have beautiful statues of Our Lady of Fatima, of Sorrows, of St. Pius the X, of St. Antony of Padua and the Child Christ, and their home enthroned to the Sacred Heart, and while they support all causes Traditional, lately, they've fallen away from Church.

    They work work work during the week (they own their own business), when Sunday comes around, they just relax all day. Our family had been put through a fairly large scandal and were treaded unfairly by jealous controlling families at our local SSPX chapel a few years back; the priest, God bless him, was put in a difficult position, but eventually had no spine in standing up for my parents in the end, while he knew they were in the right. I've tried to explain that that's no reason to stop receiving the sacraments.   I've encouraged them to go to mass with us, back to the SSPX, to try the CMRI (but they've been brainwashed to believe that sede's are somehow dangerous), anywhere. They never do.

    I don't know what else to do. Prayer, of course. I continually offer them up in my rosary and Mass. Maybe you can say a quick Hail Mary and Our Father if you read this for them today.




    In my prayers, s2srea.

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    « Reply #25 on: January 09, 2012, 09:58:49 AM »
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    They work work work during the week (they own their own business), when Sunday comes around, they just relax all day.


    Idle hands is the devils playground. Work is good, as long as it's honest, but work and pray go together.  Relaxing on Sundays is good, but one must first go to mass. God gives us 7x24, the least we can do is go to mass on Sunday and give him those two hours. I'd go every weekday if I had an early enough mass (which I do on like 3-5 days). It makes everything work out smooth during the day.  Time is gained by going to mass.

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    Our family had been put through a fairly large scandal and were treaded unfairly by jealous controlling families at our local SSPX chapel a few years back


    If it was me, they'd have to call the police to get me to give up the mass. But that's me, I'm not affected by "clicks", if I'm in the right, I actually cherish taking on the world. The "jealous controlling families" are as nothing to me, like water off a duck. I'd ignore them and go about my business with God, going to mass.



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    I've tried to explain that that's no reason to stop receiving the sacraments.   I've encouraged them to go to mass with us, back to the SSPX...They never do.


    You are right, there is no reason for not going to mass. I believe there is something else to this. St. Francis of Assisi said that the closer we get to God (the Light) the more we see our imperfections, like a lighted mirror being made brighter and brighter, our smooth baby like skin starts to show potmarks, wrinkles, scars, facial hair, pores.... Being apart from the sacraments, it's a mortal sin not to go to mass, we slowly loose the light, and our soul becomes caloused, and it gets harder and harder to penetrate it.

    Tell them that they are risking their eternal life, that they have sold their birthright for a bowl of pottage ( by running away from the opinions of "jealous controlling families"). Appeal to your father's manhood.

    To be blunt, the  "jealous controlling families", can kiss my #!*%, no man or army of men can keep me and my family from going to mass.

    P.S.- how do you like the large print now?
    "Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
     Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine


     

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