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Offline roscoe

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Enforcing The Lockdown
« on: March 13, 2020, 08:57:31 PM »
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  • The link to the Wall Street Journal article comes up 404 Pg Not Found when one clicks on the Drudge story... :popcorn:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #1 on: March 13, 2020, 09:31:15 PM »
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  • The link to the Wall Street Journal article comes up 404 Pg Not Found when one clicks on the Drudge story... :popcorn:
    When I used to visit the Drudge report, I got a lot of 404 Pg Not Found, worse,  there were innocent sounding stories that were being produced by porn sites posing as news, particularly those in the UK.
    I found a good replacement for Drudge:  https://bonginoreport.com/
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2020, 07:58:52 AM »
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  • New Rochelle I. New York is lock down with food and national guard.  

    Now these crooked politicians are sitting back waiting for tax payer money to abuse.  
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #3 on: March 17, 2020, 09:47:13 AM »
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  • Where I am at in Southern Colorado the Bars and Restaurants are closed down.  Our only market is rationing
    in how much grocery's to buy. The paper products such as paper towels and toilet paper is limited. This
    market gets only one shipment of restock every week.
    Since this is a small town and everybody knows their neighbors.
    At this time I do not know anyone that is sick nor has the flu. 

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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #4 on: March 17, 2020, 10:03:23 AM »
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  • Going to 10 different nursing facilities a day in a state that supposedly has over 200 confirmed cases. Not a one where I have been. Everything was closed as of yestersday (restaurants, bars toll plazas), .Very eery driving the highways last night. Most health care people thatI am talking to now are finally questioning things. Nothing makes sense


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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #5 on: March 18, 2020, 09:04:32 AM »
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  • Where I am at in Southern Colorado the Bars and Restaurants are closed down.  Our only market is rationing
    in how much grocery's to buy. The paper products such as paper towels and toilet paper is limited. This
    market gets only one shipment of restock every week.
    Since this is a small town and everybody knows their neighbors.
    At this time I do not know anyone that is sick nor has the flu.
    Now the laundry room is locked down, so is the only library in town. Despite the rationing of TP and paper towels,
    and only a weekly delivery truck. The store is running out of TP and paper products. There is still plenty of can
    goods. The senior meals at the community center has been replaced by meals on wheels. The only places open
    for business is the town grocery store and the post office. You are 30 miles from the nearest gas station.
    So far, I have not heard that anyone in this small community is sick and has the flu.

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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #6 on: March 18, 2020, 10:01:39 AM »
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  •  Police surround home of coronavirus victim
    Posted: 17 Mar 2020 01:47 PM PDT


    DAILYKENN.com -- A 53-year-old man in Kentucky can't leave his home. The reason? It's monitored by police officers. 


    Reports say the man tested positive for coronavirus, but checked himself out of the hospital. To assure the man remains quarantined, authorities have reportedly staked out his home. 

    According to CNN, "Nelson County Sheriff Ramon Pineiroa told the Kentucky Standard that deputies will park outside of the man's home for 24 hours a day for two weeks. The patient is cooperating now, Pineiroa said."

    * What do you think?

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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #7 on: March 18, 2020, 10:58:43 AM »
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  • What do we think?

    :popcorn:

    Ramon should be deported to Mexico.

    (They have better healthcare there)
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #8 on: March 18, 2020, 11:33:06 AM »
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  • It looks like the prisoners convicted of crimes will be the only ones that will have freedom!

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/03/18/new-york-city-calls-to-release-prisoners-to-halt-spread-of-coronavirus-in-jails/

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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #9 on: March 18, 2020, 11:45:21 AM »
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  • In 1600s London, plague infested houses were locked up under guard and big red cross with the words, “Lord, have mercy on us.” was painted on them.  Guards would either chain the doors or otherwise secure them and board up the lower floor windows while they went for provisions.  There were many such guards who either disappeared, were assaulted, murdered, or in several cases, caught the plague and were found dead at their posts along with the houses’ occupants deceased inside. In other instances, there’d be no signs of life from the house for several days, so the guard would enter and discover the occupants gone, having escaped via connected attics, cellars, via the sewer, or by tunneling to an adjacent house.  
    Remember, human nature and ingenuity has changed not one bit!
    If an infected man has no respect for the lives of others, then he ought to be confined under guard and charged for the services.  

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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2020, 08:54:09 PM »
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  •  A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
     
     By John P.A. Ioannidis

    March 18, 2020 "Information Clearing House" - The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco.
    At a time when everyone needs better information, from disease modelers and governments to people quarantined or just social distancing, we lack reliable evidence on how many people have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 or who continue to become infected. Better information is needed to guide decisions and actions of monumental significance and to monitor their impact.
    Draconian countermeasures have been adopted in many countries. If the pandemic dissipates — either on its own or because of these measures — short-term extreme social distancing and lockdowns may be bearable. How long, though, should measures like these be continued if the pandemic churns across the globe unabated? How can policymakers tell if they are doing more good than harm?
    Vaccines or affordable treatments take many months (or even years) to develop and test properly. Given such timelines, the consequences of long-term lockdowns are entirely unknown.
    The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.

    This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.
    The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.
    Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.
    That huge range markedly affects how severe the pandemic is and what should be done. A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff and dies.
    Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter.
    These “mild” coronaviruses may be implicated in several thousands of deaths every year worldwide, though the vast majority of them are not docuмented with precise testing. Instead, they are lost as noise among 60 million deaths from various causes every year.
    Although successful surveillance systems have long existed for influenza, the disease is confirmed by a laboratory in a tiny minority of cases. In the U.S., for example, so far this season 1,073,976 specimens have been tested and 222,552 (20.7%) have tested positive for influenza. In the same period, the estimated number of influenza-like illnesses is between 36,000,000 and 51,000,000, with an estimated 22,000 to 55,000 flu deaths.
    Note the uncertainty about influenza-like illness deaths: a 2.5-fold range, corresponding to tens of thousands of deaths. Every year, some of these deaths are due to influenza and some to other viruses, like common-cold coronaviruses.
    In an autopsy series that tested for respiratory viruses in specimens from 57 elderly persons who died during the 2016 to 2017 influenza season, influenza viruses were detected in 18% of the specimens, while any kind of respiratory virus was found in 47%. In some people who die from viral respiratory pathogens, more than one virus is found upon autopsy and bacteria are often superimposed. A positive test for coronavirus does not mean necessarily that this virus is always primarily responsible for a patient’s demise.
    If we assume that case fatality rate among individuals infected by SARS-CoV-2 is 0.3% in the general population — a mid-range guess from my Diamond Princess analysis — and that 1% of the U.S. population gets infected (about 3.3 million people), this would translate to about 10,000 deaths. This sounds like a huge number, but it is buried within the noise of the estimate of deaths from “influenza-like illness.” If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average. The media coverage would have been less than for an NBA game between the two most indifferent teams.
    Some worry that the 68 deaths from Covid-19 in the U.S. as of March 16 will increase exponentially to 680, 6,800, 68,000, 680,000 … along with similar catastrophic patterns around the globe. Is that a realistic scenario, or bad science fiction? How can we tell at what point such a curve might stop?
    The most valuable piece of information for answering those questions would be to know the current prevalence of the infection in a random sample of a population and to repeat this exercise at regular time intervals to estimate the incidence of new infections. Sadly, that’s information we don’t have.
    In the absence of data, prepare-for-the-worst reasoning leads to extreme measures of social distancing and lockdowns. Unfortunately, we do not know if these measures work. School closures, for example, may reduce transmission rates. But they may also backfire if children socialize anyhow, if school closure leads children to spend more time with susceptible elderly family members, if children at home disrupt their parents ability to work, and more. School closures may also diminish the chances of developing herd immunity in an age group that is spared serious disease.
    This has been the perspective behind the different stance of the United Kingdom keeping schools open, at least until as I write this. In the absence of data on the real course of the epidemic, we don’t know whether this perspective was brilliant or catastrophic.
    Flattening the curve to avoid overwhelming the health system is conceptually sound — in theory. A visual that has become viral in media and social media shows how flattening the curve reduces the volume of the epidemic that is above the threshold of what the health system can handle at any moment.
    Yet if the health system does become overwhelmed, the majority of the extra deaths may not be due to coronavirus but to other common diseases and conditions such as heart attacks, strokes, trauma, bleeding, and the like that are not adequately treated. If the level of the epidemic does overwhelm the health system and extreme measures have only modest effectiveness, then flattening the curve may make things worse: Instead of being overwhelmed during a short, acute phase, the health system will remain overwhelmed for a more protracted period. That’s another reason we need data about the exact level of the epidemic activity.
    One of the bottom lines is that we don’t know how long social distancing measures and lockdowns can be maintained without major consequences to the economy, society, and mental health. Unpredictable evolutions may ensue, including financial crisis, unrest, civil strife, war, and a meltdown of the social fabric. At a minimum, we need unbiased prevalence and incidence data for the evolving infectious load to guide decision-making.
    In the most pessimistic scenario, which I do not espouse, if the new coronavirus infects 60% of the global population and 1% of the infected people die, that will translate into more than 40 million deaths globally, matching the 1918 influenza pandemic.
    The vast majority of this hecatomb would be people with limited life expectancies. That’s in contrast to 1918, when many young people died.
    One can only hope that, much like in 1918, life will continue. Conversely, with lockdowns of months, if not years, life largely stops, short-term and long-term consequences are entirely unknown, and billions, not just millions, of lives may be eventually at stake.
    If we decide to jump off the cliff, we need some data to inform us about the rationale of such an action and the chances of landing somewhere safe.
    John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University and co-director of Stanford’s Meta-Research Innovation Center. - "Source"
     


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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #11 on: March 19, 2020, 02:06:12 AM »
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  • In 1600s London, plague infested houses were locked up under guard and big red cross with the words, “Lord, have mercy on us.” was painted on them.  Guards would either chain the doors or otherwise secure them and board up the lower floor windows while they went for provisions.  There were many such guards who either disappeared, were assaulted, murdered, or in several cases, caught the plague and were found dead at their posts along with the houses’ occupants deceased inside. In other instances, there’d be no signs of life from the house for several days, so the guard would enter and discover the occupants gone, having escaped via connected attics, cellars, via the sewer, or by tunneling to an adjacent house.  
    Remember, human nature and ingenuity has changed not one bit!
    If an infected man has no respect for the lives of others, then he ought to be confined under guard and charged for the services.  
    I remember hearing as a child how they used to mark peoples houses with a yellow x to denote that they were under quarantine for yellow fever. Someone would bring their food to the mailbox and leave it there. 

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    Re: Enforcing The Lockdown
    « Reply #12 on: March 19, 2020, 02:07:14 AM »
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  • Italian police on Sunday dispersed Catholics attending a Mass being celebrated in a parish outside of Rome. The Italian government has prohibited public gatherings in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
    The Mass was being offered at St. Francis of Assisi Parish in the Italian town of Cerveteri, some 27 miles northwest of Rome. Earlier this month, the Italian bishops’ conference confirmed government measures against public gatherings, effectively prohibiting the public celebration of Mass anywhere in the country.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/police-disperse-catholics-at-sunday-mass-in-italy-72813