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Offline TakionMalus

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End of Times
« on: January 23, 2018, 04:12:16 AM »
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  • Hello everyone.

    So, for the past 4 hours, I have been looking at Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser. For those who don't know, he was a priest in the 16th century that asserted that he had received visions of End of Times, which, from my research, apparently go with what other Saints had written. More importantly, he also wrote about the 7 Ages of the Church. 

    Now, from my understanding, there will be a Great Monarch, one "Last" Roman Emperor, that will come and rule for an unspecified amount of time. Based on what this guy says, the 5th Church Age will end with the arrival of a Holy Peter the Roman, and he will bring in some Monarch that will usher in a period of greatness in the Church, etc(this is the only thing I disagree with from what he is stating0. 

    That's all when and good, but more importantly, when I think aobut it, Peter the Roman is Petre Romanus in Saint Malechy's Prophecies that allegedly mean (with high amount of evidence), Pope Francis. I don't get how Petre Romanus could do that considering Pope Francis has done various things that are heretical(to my knowldge anyway).

    A simple good search of his name, and you will find this website (http://www.afterthewarningto2038.com/catholic-prophecy.php). Now, I don't agree with the timeline. Nevertheless, from what Fr. Ripperger has stated, Our Lady stated that they would be a period of "grace", which I think coincides with what Ven Holzhauser stated. 

    The thing that confuses me though is this? From my understanding, Our Lady has, throughout the history of the Church, called for Penance in times of great distress because God is angry at us. More importantly, she also at times tell us Christ's coming is near. This coincides with Our Lady of Kibeho, where she stated Christ is coming soon. A bunch of other Protestants have also affirmed this as well, and I have always believed right now, we are in the end of times. 

    Additionally, my understanding of Saint Malechi's prophecies is that Petre Romanus will usher in the age of the Anti-Christ, so that perplexes me slightly.

    Help would be appreciated in answering my feelings on the matter. 

    Other websites I visited:
    http://catholicprophecy.org/ven-barthalomew-holzhauser/
    https://www.latinritemass.org/bartholomew-holzhauser/introduction/
    https://forums.catholic.com/t/the-great-monarch/53762
    http://www.unitypublishing.com/Newsletter/KingdomTwo.htm
    http://www.unitypublishing.com/Newsletter/KingdomTwo.htm

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 05:29:29 AM »
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  • St. Malachies prophecies just talk about Petrus Romanus coming in the end times. Extremis tempus, I think the latin is. He could simply be skipping from the previously mentioned Pope to Petrus Romanus. This interpretation allows room for other prophecies to come in. So there is no obligation to think that Pope Francis is Petrus Romanus.

    Be careful with the terms "end times" or "the end is near". They can both be interpreted very widely. When Our Lady wants to be specific, she will be specific. Just read La Salette (1879 version of course).

    So end could mean end of this period of the Church or the end of time. If the latter, then it could also be very wide. From Adam to Our Lord, people had 4000 years, we may only get 2500 at most. That is a lot shorter and "nearer".
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 05:48:47 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson has spoken about Holzhauser.

    Check this out




    An excellent book you should get is "Catholic Prophecy" by Yves Dupont
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 10:28:09 AM »
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  • Our Lady speaks of "Latter times".  Christ will come to straighten things out and a time of peace will follow.  The latter times is the end of evil times.  Satan has his time permitted to him to snatch souls.  Anti-Christ will come and Christ will come.  It is very important to seek and research the prophecies, that is my opinion.  Just as the prophets knew for centuries that a Savior would be born of a Virgin, yet those jews who had the scriptures were not paying attention.

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 10:30:00 AM »
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  • Chapter 12 of Daniel:  The Sacrifice of the Mass will end.  New Order should be paying attention, but NO, their heads are buried in the sand.


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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 12:00:46 PM »
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  • The Sacrifice of the Mass will end

    Be careful, you may unnerve some, because they won't have a mass to go to on Sunday.
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    Unnerved they well may be, for the present, but when the Mass ends in fact they'll have a lot more to be unnerved about.
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    Padre Pio said the world could exist without the sun but not without the Mass.
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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 04:44:21 PM »
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  • Thank You!  I remember the statement but could not remember who said it!  And thank you for that post!

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #7 on: January 26, 2018, 05:48:51 AM »
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  • The Mass will not end until the end of time.

    Any thing else is a heresy against the indefectibility of the Church.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017


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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #8 on: January 26, 2018, 12:44:36 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson has spoken about Holzhauser.

    Check this out




    An excellent book you should get is "Catholic Prophecy" by Yves Dupont

    That is such an excellent talk given by Bp. Williamson. He explains that we are at the end of the Fifth Age of the Church. So there still has to be a chastisement/persecution before the 25 years peace, and then the reign of the anti-Christ after that, and then the end of the world after the anti-Christ is defeated. 

    Bishop Williamson also describes the situation in the SSPX, which he also ties-in with the end of the Fifth Age of the Church, in that the last General Chapter of the SSPX is likened to Vatican ll in the conciliar church. He does such a great job of explaining the crisis within the SSPX, which began with the SSPX affiliation with GREC. He begins to explain this at about the 1:15:00 minute mark.

    He also likens the situation in the Church today with the book of the Apocalypse, chapeter 3, I think it was. Since this video is 5 years old, Father Pfeiffer is actually shown in the video with Bp. Williamson beginning at about the 1:04:00 minute mark, in which Fr. Pfeiffer shows him the relevant quotes from scripture (that he brought up on his phone to show Bishop Williamson), which relate to St. John of the Apocalypse. It's kind of sad to know that there would later be a falling out between them. Anyway, most of the rest of the video from the 1:04:00 minute mark has to do with excellent commentary on what is happening in the SSPX, and why the Resistance is important. 

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #9 on: January 27, 2018, 04:51:55 PM »
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  • The medieval legend that would come a time of splendor and triumph of the Church, by the work of a great King and a Pontiff inspired many false prophecies impossible to know if they are real.

    It has no scriptural foundation or of any kind: it is a poetic illusion.  

    It was invented in the 15th century by the monk Petrus Galatinus in his book DE ARCANIS FIDEI MYSTERIIS AGAINST JUDAEOS. 

    Pius XII should be Pastor Angelicus and we see how far he is from carrying them out.  

    The truth is that a prophecy becomes clear upon its fulfillment, and it is dark before

    In the last two prophecies he was manifestly mistaken, wanting to determine the exact year of the Parousia - against the prohibition of the Council of Florence to do so - and even the birth and age of the Antichrist, who was to die in 1911 at the age of 55 (!) .

    The German priest abandoned his exegesis in Chapter XV, saying that he had no more inspiration from God (?); He probably saw that he was making a mess by continuing to invent lies.

     From Chapter VI, Holzhauser goes into a wrong path, for wanting to interpret everything followed by APOcALIPSIS, forgetting the law of the recapitulatio and the prophetic genre, which is not the historical one. He simply applies ecclesiastical history to prophecy, forcing both of them and incurring inaccuracies and even overt nonsense. 

    We must follow the sacred scriptures first and not appearances or prophecies of dubious origin  :facepalm:

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #10 on: January 27, 2018, 09:06:21 PM »
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  • Here's a great video on the topic...

    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #11 on: January 28, 2018, 05:45:22 AM »
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  • We have to treat the "prophecies" of Malachy with a lot of caution. 
    There are ways of analysing documents to verify their authenticity but as far as I know they have never been applied to the original copy of the prophecies of Malachy. I.e. examine the handwriting and see if it matches the palaeography of the era when it was written down, test the paper and ink and see if they match the era. As far as I know this has never been done. 
    Of course some may say that it was written in a later age but as far as I know the claim is the copy dates to the lifetime of Malachy, d. 1148. 
    The prophecies from the period prior to the "rediscovery" are considerably more accurate than those covering the period after the "rediscovery." In other words recent prophecies are more like something from Nostradamus than a saint. 
    Ultimately the Church has maintained a silence on the work and that should tell us that it is nothing to worry about and it has nothing of value to add to the faith. You are much better off going to your priest and getting advice from him on this. 
    Vigilate itaque quia nescitis diem neque horam. 

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #12 on: January 28, 2018, 08:36:12 AM »
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  • We have to treat the "prophecies" of Malachy with a lot of caution.
    There are ways of analysing documents to verify their authenticity but as far as I know they have never been applied to the original copy of the prophecies of Malachy. I.e. examine the handwriting and see if it matches the palaeography of the era when it was written down, test the paper and ink and see if they match the era. As far as I know this has never been done.
    Of course some may say that it was written in a later age but as far as I know the claim is the copy dates to the lifetime of Malachy, d. 1148.
    The prophecies from the period prior to the "rediscovery" are considerably more accurate than those covering the period after the "rediscovery." In other words recent prophecies are more like something from Nostradamus than a saint.
    Ultimately the Church has maintained a silence on the work and that should tell us that it is nothing to worry about and it has nothing of value to add to the faith. You are much better off going to your priest and getting advice from him on this.
    Vigilate itaque quia nescitis diem neque horam.

    This is total pseudo-intellectualism.

    You are trying to cast doubt without any evidence for this doubt. If you  try to make anything suspicious, you should have good reason.

    Simply because the test you named hasn't been done, is no reason to doubt. This is an absurd logic. If it is done and then shown to be doubtful, then perhaps you can begin to doubt, but NOT BEFORE!!

    There is nothing instrinsically in the text itself to cast doubt over it. Nothing doctrinally or philosophically. All the Church says is you dont HAVE to believe it. But this doesn't mean you are wise to reject it.

    Private revelations are given by God for a good reason. Not to be rejected by everyone. You cannot make out that it is a good thing as a matter of course to reject all private revelation. This is what the SSPX has been doing for years, coming to a large extent from the false prudence of large amounts of French trads.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #13 on: January 28, 2018, 02:10:26 PM »
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  • The Mass will not end until the end of time.

    Any thing else is a heresy against the indefectibility of the Church.
    If the Novus Ordo ordinations and consecrations of bishops are invalid, then for all intent and purposes the Holy sacrifice has "ended", as 99% of Catholics go to the Novus Ordo. Add to that, that the Novus Ordo mass may not be a valid mass.

    At the same time, the Holy Sacrifice has not totally ended, as it is offered by those few traditionalist priests ordained before the change or ordained by the SSPX.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: End of Times
    « Reply #14 on: January 28, 2018, 02:51:41 PM »
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  • If the Novus Ordo ordinations and consecrations of bishops are invalid, then for all intent and purposes the Holy sacrifice has "ended", as 99% of Catholics go to the Novus Ordo. Add to that, that the Novus Ordo mass may not be a valid mass.

    At the same time, the Holy Sacrifice has not totally ended, as it is offered by those few traditionalist priests ordained before the change or ordained by the SSPX.

    The Novus Ordo Church is not Catholic. Therefore what they do should have no impact on us as Catholics. The Mass has not, and will not end.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

     

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