Author Topic: End Of Times (Read 1427 times)

amariec · « **on:** December 16, 2009, 08:34:54 PM »

Do you feel it is soon? What are your general opinions about the end of times?

littlerose · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:54:59 PM »

"Times" are often presented as if they are part of Divine creation in the same way that rocks and air are, but in fact, "Time" is a human artifact.

Read Genesis: the 24-hour day could not possibly exist before God separated light from dark, which is the part of the history of creation that describes the coalescence of planetary material into a sun-orbitting solid mass.

Now, in modern days, we have different time zones and have set up the separation, from the Gregorian Calendar forward, of days into hours and of weeks into seasons, years, etc.

All of that is human artifact, not Divine Creation.

Now, we are going into space, and can certainly no longer hope to keep the 24-hour day as a standard if we are becoming an interplanetary civilization to include Mars and more....

The human artifact of linear time, with our concept of past-present-future all cut into standard measurements, cannot hold up.

Now "Divine" creation of time: that is Eternity. There is no past-present-future in it. As Christ was crucified 2,000 years ago, so He is Crucified right now at this moment... and simultaneous with His Resurrection and victory over Death... we cannot limit Eternity to our human concept of Time.

The end that is the Apocalypse is when Human Time slips over into Eternal Time, the two meet: at some point in the future but simultaneously what will happen then is happening now and happened 2,000 years ago, when Jesus said it was "at hand".....

My opinion: yes, we are in that time, as we always have been. Jesus died on the Cross as a direct witness to the juncture of human and Divine, temporal and Eternal, that was His very nature, and He chose us to partake of that very nature.

That is why we are conscious of the End of Times, an event denied by most atheists and pantheists, (and it is also why the Catholic insistence on the actual reality of Jesus in the Eucharist upsets people who don't understand this doctrine.

They think it is about human flesh and blood, but it is not. It is about Jesus' Glorified, Divine flesh and blood, which resides in the Eternal and in which we also reside when we participate in the Eucharist. That is why to be denied the Eucharist is so painful for Catholics while Protestants shrug it off.)

Vladimir · « **Reply #2 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:40:01 PM »

Hello amariec,

I think that speculating on the end of the world is not something that would be beneficial to your soul, and it could possibly have a negative impact.

Instead of focusing on the End, we should focus on our own ends, since that is when we will be judged by Christ and sent to Heaven , Hell, or Purgatory. At the End, God will judge all of mankind (although it is of opinion that the sins of the just will not be made manifest, but hidden) so that He will be glorified in front of all mankind and reward the just and the wicked with their just desserts. After the last judgement, those who were previously in Heaven or Purgatory will simply return to Heaven, and the reprobates will descend once more to Hell.

For this reason it is written "In all thy works, remember thy final end and thou shalt never sin".

sedetrad · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:57:34 AM »

We all have an actual end time when we die. It is our apocalypse and judgment. We should focus on that.

Belloc · « **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:07:41 AM »

Quote from: amariec

Do you feel it is soon? What are your general opinions about the end of times?

warning, etc of Garabandal within next few yrs-recall Bishop Williamson stating this too...

Then Chastiesement...

Several yrs of pace

Anitchirst

3 1/2 yrs

The End.........

Likely, if I live to ripe old age, will see a part of this, but not the last part......

Agree, our personal judgment is far closer and at hand......

littlerose · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:11:09 AM »

It is true that we should not dwell on this. Jesus warns us several times in the Bible not to be concerned with the events prophecied, because they are ephemeral and will not affect our souls. I avoid the speculations that can lead us to attempting to identify this or that leader with a being in the Bible, this or that battle with Armaggeddon, but the actual nature of Creation and human reality fascinates me. It is, as St. Paul said, that we look through a glass darkly.

Eternity is not created. Time is.

We need not fear anything in Time as long as we hold true to our Eternal heritage during our short daily span on earth.

Arborman · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:25:54 AM »

I feel we are in the time of the end. It is important for us to understand what is happening in the world because it impacts on our ability to live a good holy life. We need to understand that Luciferians are controlling the world through secret sects like the masons and they have infiltrated to the highest levels of the church. I am not worried about when the end is, but am concerned with how to live a catholic life in these times.

amariec · « **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2009, 04:55:34 PM »

Quote from: Arborman

am concerned with how to live a catholic life in these times.

I completely agree with this.

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We need to understand that Luciferians are controlling the world through secret sects like the masons

Really? I don't know much about the masons but i do know someone who is.

The world is indeed being controlled by negative groups, morally questionable ideas are accepted and those with the most influence often have no Christian or Catholic values in mind

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:26:22 PM »

Quote from: littlerose

Jesus warns us several times in the Bible not to be concerned with the events prophesied, because they are ephemeral and will not affect our souls...

The body and soul are ONE composite being.

God has told us many SIGNS for a REASON: He wants us to KNOW when certain things are at hand.

A balance must certainly be struck, but it is just as erroneous to be excessively concerned as it is to have NO concern/pay NO attention at all -- especially if you are responsible for others, like children, etc.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:30:14 PM »

Quote from: amariec

I don't know much about the masons but i do know someone who is.

I would stay away from him, as Masonry is BAD news. Yes, he MAY be a low-level, relatively "innocent" dope, but you cannot be sure.

Btw, hope you are well! Enjoy your vacation from school.

Belloc · « **Reply #10 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:10:04 PM »

http://www.audiosancto.org/auweb/20091129-The-Final-Persecution-and-Hatred.mp3

The Final Persecution and Hatred
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Date Preached: 2009-11-29Sermon length: 12 minutes 28 seconds

Belloc · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:23:22 PM »

http://www.audiosancto.org/auweb/20091122-The-Beginning-and-the-End-are-the-Same.mp3

The Beginning and the End are the Same

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2009, 04:45:23 PM »

Christ wants us to focus on our own salvation, however, he wants us to be aware of the social,political,and economic threats that will interfere with our salvation (example: pagan rulers propagating heresy and anti-catholic culture) because all of those things make up the enviroment in which we have to save our souls. It's the soil on which we have been sown... we can transplant ourselves somewhere else (if able) or we can take action and "adjust the PH" (so to speak) in order to make our environment more healthier for us so that we, and those "planted" after us, will be able to yield a greater harvest for Our Lord when our season is at an end. However, if we are able (individually or collectively) to make adjustments to our environment that our beneficial to the spiritual health of ourselves and our fellow man, and we fail to do so out of cowardice, human respect, sloth or neglect, God will surely judge us since we didnt invest that one little talent that He gave us. That's why it's important for us to at the very least be aware of the landmines in the road at present and up ahead. If we have no knowledge of them, we cant avoid them.

If God didnt want us to know something about the future trials we will all have to face together as Catholics, He would not have sent us His Holy Mother like He did at La Sallete, Akita, and Fatima. Each time she told us of the coming chastisement and how to avoid it. And while she didnt tell us how to materially prepare, she did tell us what we must do in order to prevent or endure it, and that's by praying for the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart. But that's not to say that you should sit back and just pray and do nothing... If Our Lady told you that a hurricane was coming, and that it would be turned back if such a number of people prayed, you wouldnt just stand there and say "I put everything in the hands of God" because more than likely nobody is praying, you are going to materially prepare for a hurricane! You dont want to be like the man in the modern parable who was waiting for God to save him from the flood that later killed him and after which God judged him for tempting Him because he thrice he failed to help himself by jumping into the jeep, boat, and helicopter that came to save him! God only helps those who help themselves, and it's hard to help yourself if you dont know what the problem or threat is. That's why God reveals only so much as we need to be able to discern (with the guidance of the Church and the proper use of reason) those problems and deal with them effectively.

Many of the saints talk about the coming chastisement and the end of the world. Read Yves Dupont's book Catholic Prophecy for plenty of quotes from the saints.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:03:18 PM »

Quote from: amariec

Really? I don't know much about the masons but i do know someone who is.

The world is indeed being controlled by negative groups, morally questionable ideas are accepted and those with the most influence often have no Christian or Catholic values in mind

Well, I know some people who I highly suspect are freemasons (I never asked if they really were, though a person's membership in the lodge is pretty much public knowledge). They are nice people, but then alot of low ranking neighborhood lodge masons dont know what the organization is all about. If they did understand the lodges outright satanism there would be a good number of people (of the lower degrees) abandoning it. But of course, since you are trying to develop a strong Catholic character, I think it's best if you avoid them until you deeply entrench yourself in Catholic moral and social principles, traditions, and history, so that you will not fall for any falsehoods they may try and drag you into. And dont take them lightly... modernism is something very subtle and doesnt always take the form of outright heresy.

Since your new to this, it's essential that you learn about the masons, their history, philosophy, and tactics. If they were just a neighborhood organization like the YMCA, Pope Leo XIII wouldnt have written an encyclical condemning them and other Popes wouldnt have upheld excommunications against them.

You can go to TAN books and they will have plenty of good books on masonry.