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Offline sedetrad

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« on: February 01, 2010, 04:31:22 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 04:32:01 PM »
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  • God Bless Mr. Hoffman and Bishop Williamson!


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    « Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 08:40:42 PM »
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  • Truth to the Power.

    God Bless Bishop Williamson.

    He is the most courageous Bishop of the 21st Century.

    Just like St. John Fisher of the 15th Century.
     

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    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 10:33:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: sedetrad
    God Bless Mr. Hoffman and Bishop Williamson!


    What does your avatar say? It was always too small to read. From it, it seems you don't exactly like Bishop Williamson.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 10:35:07 PM »
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  • My avatar was created by the forum owwner to protest Bishop Williamsons silencing by Bishop Fellay. I have a great lovd and admiration for Bishop Williamson.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 10:35:46 PM »
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  • It says CENSORED By BISHOP FELLAY

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    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 11:33:41 PM »
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  • ah ok. That makes sense then.

    Aren't you a sedevecantist though?

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 12:16:37 AM »
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  • Bishop Fellay vs. Bishop Williamson = Good Cop  vs.  Bad Cop

    But your theological stance may determine who you see as the Good Cop and who is the Bad Cop.  

    For SSPX hard-liners  ( although that's an oxymoron ) and those who have an animus towards Jєωs, Bp. Williamson is the ruthless Good Cop -- or righteous vigilante like Dirty Harry -- and Bp. Fellay is the compromising Bad Cop.

    For those in SSPX who don't want them to burn all bridges with Rome, Bp. Fellay is the diplomatic mastermind Good Cop while Bp. Williamson is the out-of-control firebrand Bad Cop, who threatens to bring the whole house of cards tumbling down with his lack of foresight and prudence.

    It's kind of hard to get into the mind of the leaders of SSPX since they have -- or pretend to have -- looming blind spots about the nature of what is happening in Rome to begin with.  For instance, they want the VII docuмents rescinded, but ( a ) How would that change the heresies that have been promulgated since VII? and ( b ) That would be for the authors of Vatican II to admit to a mistake that they cannot possibly admit to without people realizing that they never had any authority.

    Bishop Williamson himself admits to the problem of ( b ).  How can the usurpers admit they were entirely wrong on VII and save face?  Answer:  They can't.  They would have to confess the deliberate nature of their crimes and repent.  What do you think are the chances of that?

    I've been reading through old threads at AngelQueen and I could write a whole novel by now about the SSPX mentality.  Actually, I want to start a thread about Stephen Heiner's interview of Bishop Williamson.  It is extremely revealing, but it would probably get me shunted from the site as Matthew has a fondness for Bp. Williamson.  

    I can see why -- he's very charming, with that accent, his little cup of tea as he signs books, his urbane manner.  When I watch Bishop Williamson, I can feel the seduction of the SSPX actually work on me a little bit.  There is some kind of fantasy Old World, pleasingly antique atmosphere that they emanate.  But if you listen to him, instead of idol-worshipping him, the trouble spots emerge very, very clearly.  I'm kind of getting tired of saying the word "dialectic" but until people get it what else can I do?
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 08:56:42 AM »
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  • I am a sede but I am not a sede that believes that outside of sedevacantist belief all must go to hell. I believe that in these troubling times God will allow for honest disagreement because we do not have true authority at the top to correct us.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 08:38:11 PM »
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  •   :cheers:sedetrad

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    « Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 09:58:25 PM »
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  • MO is that Card Siri was elected true Pope in 1958 and was so ( for better or for worse) until 1989. I admit there are problems with this thinking, but the other options are worse--- v2, SSPX, sede vacantist( if there is such a thing).

    I wonder how many people really do know the whole truth.  
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 10:32:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76 should have
    I'm kind of getting tired of saying the word "dialectic" but until people get it what else can I do?