Author Topic: Elvis Movie Change of Habit 1969 (Read 1530 times)

Thursday · « **on:** January 16, 2012, 08:00:09 AM »

I thought this one deserved it's own thread as there is so much to discuss about this film and the songs that went along with it. First of all it was released the same year the new mass was promulgated by Paul VI. Coincidentally, the last scene has Elvis break out into a performance in the middle of mass. The altar is the old high altar. Then Mary Tyler Moore who plays a nun is looking from Jesus and back to Elvis trying to decide whether she would run off with Elvis or stay with her vows. Kinda makes me think that Nun's story was just getting us acclimated to movies about nuns breaking their vows.

Keep a bucket handy.

The title track is not exactly subtle in its negative view of the Church.

(Words & music by B. Kaye - B. Weisman)
If you`re in old habits
Set in your old ways
Changes are a-comin`
For these are changing days
And if your head is in the sand
While things are goin` on
What you need, what you need,
What you need is a change of habit

Now if you`re in the habit
To let your temper fly
When you talk with people
Who don`t see eye to eye
And if you don`t believe it
There`s a newer world ahead
What you need, what you need,
What you need is a change of habit

A change of habit, a change of outlook
A change of heart, you`ll be all right
The halls of darkness
Have doors that open
It`s never too late
To see the light

So if you`re in the habit
Of putting people down
Just because they`re different
From the wrong side of town
Well, don`t count on any medals son
They`re pinning none on you
What you need, what you need,
What you need is a change of habit

If we wanted to get conspiratorial and look for an illuminati connection to Elvis we wouldn't have to look any further than his manager Colonel Tom Parker. Who was German who came to the United States with no identification and nobody really knows who he was. But I guess Elvis never made a decision without his approval and Parker used to take the bulk of his earnings.

Thursday · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2012, 08:07:02 AM »

Then there is the track from the same album called "in the Ghetto" which is basically a cry for the legalization of abortion. And was legalized only two years later.

riter: DAVIS, MAC

As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin'
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto

And his mama cries
Cause if there's one thing that she don't need
It's another hungry mouth to feed
In the ghetto

People, don't you understand
The child needs a helping hand
Or he'll grow to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me,
Are we too blind to see,
Do we simply turn our heads

And look the other way
Well the world turns
And a hungry little boy with a runny nose
Plays in the street as the cold wind blows
In the ghetto

And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night
And he learns how to steal
And he learns how to fight
In the ghetto

Then one night in desperation
A young man breaks away
He buys a gun, steals a car,
Tries to run, but he don't get far
And his mama cries
As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man
Face down on the street with a gun in his hand
In the ghetto

As her young man dies,
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin',
Another little baby child is born
In the ghetto
And his mama cries

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2012, 09:54:31 AM »

Hi Thursday--

I have alway found "In the Ghetto" to be depressing, because of those lyrics, that are so despairing.

Yes, Elvis, he was was just a dupe, who was used, like so many other performers whose reward was money, sinful pleasures, and fame.

I actually feel sorry for him, thinking there but for the grace of God...

You may find this to be of interest:

http://en.gloria.tv/?media=150870

Ant this mixed bag:

http://romanmiscellany.blogspot.com/2007/08/five-catholic-facts-about-elvis.html

s2srea · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2012, 12:43:22 PM »

Quote from: Cupertino

The most disturbing was when the Novus Ordo came and religious sisters started to see other sisters in their convent disappearing suddenly. They were taken someplace to be given shock treatments, etc. if they looked like people who did not support the changes! It has communist written all over it. The infiltration of Rome is SO obvious!

Cupertino- My understanding is that this was done (is done) with priests as well. My own priest, when leaving the NO for Tradition, was warned by a former Vatican official "not to go to the 'psychological treatments' they [wanted to send him to]"; the priest ended with, "you will lose your morality." The NO and his local bishops saw that he was resisting Modernism, and wanted to send him to get psychological "help" and most likely drugs from the NewChurch; this is probably what those sisters you refer to got.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2012, 01:22:11 PM »

Quote from: Cupertino

There were many other propaganda/preparatory movies in the 1960's to help the transition along. Most were directed at the Sisterhood, trying to make religious bail out, and prevent vocations. The most disturbing was when the Novus Ordo came and religious sisters started to see other sisters in their convent disappearing suddenly. They were taken someplace to be given shock treatments, etc. if they looked like people who did not support the changes! It has communist written all over it. The infiltration of Rome is SO obvious!

That's why it's so loopy to keep going back to these people for legitimacy. You can't be high in the NO without being knee deep in collaboration with the satanist element.

And isn't it telling that the charge of mental illness is thrown around so recklessly by those who want rapprochement?

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2012, 04:11:16 PM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: Cupertino
The most disturbing was when the Novus Ordo came and religious sisters started to see other sisters in their convent disappearing suddenly. They were taken someplace to be given shock treatments, etc. if they looked like people who did not support the changes! It has communist written all over it. The infiltration of Rome is SO obvious!

Cupertino- My understanding is that this was done (is done) with priests as well. My own priest, when leaving the NO for Tradition, was warned by a former Vatican official "not to go to the 'psychological treatments' they [wanted to send him to]"; the priest ended with, "you will lose your morality." The NO and his local bishops saw that he was resisting Modernism, and wanted to send him to get psychological "help" and most likely drugs from the NewChurch; this is probably what those sisters you refer to got.

I read in a biography of Abp. Oscar Romero of El Salvador, αssαssιnαtҽd while saying mass in 1980, that he underwent this same experience. He had been a conservative prelate placed in charge of a seminary in the late 60's and had been butting heads with the new liberal seminarians, forcing them to cut their hair and observe the curfew and stop running around with women. Basically, at some point he had a nervous breakdown and they sent him to Mexico for "treatment" and to do some retreats with the Jesuits. When he came back he was suddenly "cool" with all the changes and eventually got into liberation theology, which cost him his life. The book I read mentioned that he had even undergone electroshock therapy after his breakdown.

s2srea · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2012, 05:09:07 PM »

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus

Quote from: s2srea
Quote from: Cupertino
The most disturbing was when the Novus Ordo came and religious sisters started to see other sisters in their convent disappearing suddenly. They were taken someplace to be given shock treatments, etc. if they looked like people who did not support the changes! It has communist written all over it. The infiltration of Rome is SO obvious!

Cupertino- My understanding is that this was done (is done) with priests as well. My own priest, when leaving the NO for Tradition, was warned by a former Vatican official "not to go to the 'psychological treatments' they [wanted to send him to]"; the priest ended with, "you will lose your morality." The NO and his local bishops saw that he was resisting Modernism, and wanted to send him to get psychological "help" and most likely drugs from the NewChurch; this is probably what those sisters you refer to got.

I read in a biography of Abp. Oscar Romero of El Salvador, αssαssιnαtҽd while saying mass in 1980, that he underwent this same experience. He had been a conservative prelate placed in charge of a seminary in the late 60's and had been butting heads with the new liberal seminarians, forcing them to cut their hair and observe the curfew and stop running around with women. Basically, at some point he had a nervous breakdown and they sent him to Mexico for "treatment" and to do some retreats with the Jesuits. When he came back he was suddenly "cool" with all the changes and eventually got into liberation theology, which cost him his life. The book I read mentioned that he had even undergone electroshock therapy after his breakdown.

Wow SJT- but who killed him? I assume the NO was okay with him since he was "suddenly "cool" with all the changes"...

Thursday · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2012, 05:56:47 PM »

this is from wikipedia. There is a major player involved with the North American Union who went to El Salvador just before Romero was killed, can't remember the guys name at the moment.

"It is believed that the assassins were members of a death squad trained and funded by the United States.[10] This view was supported in 1993 by an official U.N. report, which identified the man who ordered the killing as former Major and School of the Americas graduate Roberto D'Aubuisson.[11] He had also planned to overthrow the government in a coup. Later he founded the political party Nationalist Republican Alliance (ARENA), and organized death squads that systematically carried out politically-motivated assassinations and other human rights abuses in El Salvador. Álvaro Rafael Saravia, a former captain in the Salvadoran Air Force, was chief of security for Roberto D'Aubuisson and an active member of these death squads.""

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2012, 06:12:52 PM »

Eric Gill was designing modernist churches with altar knave in the late thirties:

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/j007htGill_VaticanII_Odou.htm

Thursday · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2012, 04:45:41 AM »

I pretty sure the guy who was involved primarily with El Salvador was Richard Armitage who was deputy secretary of state . He was part of the gang of neo-cons from the Reagan years that re-emerged with Bush II. He is a also a major player in the SPP/ North American Union stuff.

Thursday · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:13:42 AM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus
Quote from: s2srea
Quote from: Cupertino
The most disturbing was when the Novus Ordo came and religious sisters started to see other sisters in their convent disappearing suddenly. They were taken someplace to be given shock treatments, etc. if they looked like people who did not support the changes! It has communist written all over it. The infiltration of Rome is SO obvious!

Cupertino- My understanding is that this was done (is done) with priests as well. My own priest, when leaving the NO for Tradition, was warned by a former Vatican official "not to go to the 'psychological treatments' they [wanted to send him to]"; the priest ended with, "you will lose your morality." The NO and his local bishops saw that he was resisting Modernism, and wanted to send him to get psychological "help" and most likely drugs from the NewChurch; this is probably what those sisters you refer to got.

I read in a biography of Abp. Oscar Romero of El Salvador, αssαssιnαtҽd while saying mass in 1980, that he underwent this same experience. He had been a conservative prelate placed in charge of a seminary in the late 60's and had been butting heads with the new liberal seminarians, forcing them to cut their hair and observe the curfew and stop running around with women. Basically, at some point he had a nervous breakdown and they sent him to Mexico for "treatment" and to do some retreats with the Jesuits. When he came back he was suddenly "cool" with all the changes and eventually got into liberation theology, which cost him his life. The book I read mentioned that he had even undergone electroshock therapy after his breakdown.

Wow SJT- but who killed him? I assume the NO was okay with him since he was "suddenly "cool" with all the changes"...

Thursday · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:37:21 AM »

I meant to attach this above.

I don't know much about Liberation Theology but I do know a thing or two about Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brezinski. One of Brezinski's proteges was Osama Bin Ladin, another one was Barrack Obama. He also founded the Trilateral Commision in 1971 with Davis Rockefellar. There are only 300 people in it and only 80 Americans but 18 of them managed to get senior government positions when Jimmy Carter was sworn in as President. Obama has a bunch of them in there too.

Below is a link to a letter from Brezinski to John Paul II imploring him to reign in Romero. It wouldn't surprise me if Romero was on the right side, and was demonized after the fact. But as I said i haven't read up on it. Brezinski also mentions that he has been in consultations with Cardinal Casaroli who was involved in numerous scandals and an alleged Mason.

The letter to the Pope is here
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB339/doc03.pdf

Other declassified docuмents and some interesting info here
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23923

s2srea · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:15:49 AM »

Wow- you always have some excellent information to share Thursday- thank you.