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Offline Spork

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Elements of sin
« on: July 12, 2011, 03:19:38 PM »
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  • I am a imprudent person. I used to be a frequent sinner and lousy person. By the Grace of God I have found my Faith and have returned. However, I still tend to get drunk and I am having a difficult time managing my money. I owe back taxes, student loans, car loans(for repossessed vehicles), and other accounts in collections. I have attempted to remedy these through a debt resolution program, but had to stop because of no work. Is getting drunk and being in debt mortally sinful? I know it is due to lack of virtue and I know it is wrong. If I were to die today would I be hammered to Hell because of getting drunk and having these debts?


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    « Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 03:23:21 PM »
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  • Getting repeatedly drunk is sinful, yes. You need to stop drinking. As far as being in debt, it depends on whether or not that is sinful. If you bought things knowing you could not afford them, then that would be sinful. But if you're in debt not because of your own fault, but because you suddenly lost your money (perhaps due to the bad economy) then that would not be sinful.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 03:38:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    Getting repeatedly drunk is sinful, yes. You need to stop drinking. As far as being in debt, it depends on whether or not that is sinful. If you bought things knowing you could not afford them, then that would be sinful. But if you're in debt not because of your own fault, but because you suddenly lost your money (perhaps due to the bad economy) then that would not be sinful.


    I bought the cars expecting to be able to pay for them; I took out the loans for school with the understanding that I would have to pay them back; the other debts as well. Now, I did abuse the student loans and bought things that I maybe shouldn't have, such as guns, a gun safe, other gadgets, etc. I never once decided that I was not ever going to pay back the loans. I am in debt because of my own fault, for sure. But, again, I never, ever went into it thinking that I was not ever going to pay the amounts back. It just so happens that I borrowed too much, spent imprudently, and now I am in a rather bad situation because I am out of work. I don't drink everyday and not nearly as much as I did, but when I do, I can throw them down, so to speak. I will talk to my traditional priest on these things as well. I know the good people here can offer great advice as well. Thanks SpiritusSanctus.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 03:49:42 PM »
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  • You're welcome. Glad to help.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 04:16:20 PM »
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    Getting repeatedly drunk is sinful, yes. You need to stop drinking. As far as being in debt, it depends on whether or not that is sinful. If you bought things knowing you could not afford them, then that would be sinful. But if you're in debt not because of your own fault, but because you suddenly lost your money (perhaps due to the bad economy) then that would not be sinful.


    I bought the cars expecting to be able to pay for them; I took out the loans for school with the understanding that I would have to pay them back; the other debts as well. Now, I did abuse the student loans and bought things that I maybe shouldn't have, such as guns, a gun safe, other gadgets, etc. I never once decided that I was not ever going to pay back the loans. I am in debt because of my own fault, for sure. But, again, I never, ever went into it thinking that I was not ever going to pay the amounts back. It just so happens that I borrowed too much, spent imprudently, and now I am in a rather bad situation because I am out of work. I don't drink everyday and not nearly as much as I did, but when I do, I can throw them down, so to speak. I will talk to my traditional priest on these things as well. I know the good people here can offer great advice as well. Thanks SpiritusSanctus.


    Spending recklessly may be venially sinful, but as you said you'll ask your Priest and he'll know for sure.

    Either way, you have to pay back money lent to you eventually.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 04:46:45 PM »
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  • I heard this from a guy once who stopped drinking. He said:

    "One is too many, and one-hundred isn't enough."

    That's when he knew he couldn't drink anymore.

    Alcohol, in and of itself, is not bad.

    There are some people that can have (like me) one, and I don't want anymore/ need anymore.

    Others have very serious problems with it. If you have a family history of drinking, chances are, very likely, that you might struggle with such a problem.

    It becomes an occasion of sin.

    One should never feed into an occasion of sin if it presents itself. The best way to avoid it is to not give into the temptation when it emerges.

    There are ways in which people that have a problem with the consumption of alcohol, try to justify purchasing it when they have a desire for it. They say, "I worked really hard today, and so I deserve it," or, "Just a six pack won't hurt," and later, "Who cares if I buy another six pack? It's my money that I earned."

    They make excuses as to why they should be able to have it. You open the door a crack, and the devil just lets himself in the rest of the way and you're stuck.

    Drinking to excess is always sinful. Saint Paul mentioned it in the Bible that those who consume it excessively would not get to heaven.

    1 Cor 6:9-10 Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

    When people get drunk, they lose their wits. They say things they don't mean, and do things they would never normally do. Think of the injury you could be inflicting on someone close to you because of the things you say and you do when you become inebriated. It's hurtful, and many times, people forget what they say and do when they become drunk.

    Also, you could be putting someone else in the occasion of sin by getting drunk because of the reaction they have to what you say when you have lost your wits. Believe me, I know, and the way I deal with someone like that is to just get away from them before I have to react badly to something they don't even realize they're doing because of their inebriation.

    Yes, the economy is horrible, but drinking to excess isn't going to make it any less horrible. It's going to inflict more pain on the people that are forced to live with you in the situation your in. If you can't afford your bills, the last thing you want to do is to be throwing your wits out the window and drinking to excess.

    If you have children, you're scandalizing them by getting drunk. You're making it okay. They see dad doing it, and they're going to say, "Well, dad does it, so it must be okay."

    If you can't NOT drink to excess, then you should not be drinking at all.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 05:22:33 PM »
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  • Getting drunk is a mortal sin. I did read that if you commit sins while drunk but did not intend to commit those sins prior to getting drunk then they do not meet the criteria to be a sin.
    I don't know if that is necessarily so. Maybe in extreme cases but certainly not in cases of repeated drunkeness when it is usually know by the perp that they are likely to engage in sinful activity. (Although sinful activity is NOT always done in drunkenness, still drunkenness is a sin, mortal, too I believe.)
    No, I am not drunk, I am just rambling.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 05:58:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Darcy
    Getting drunk is a mortal sin. I did read that if you commit sins while drunk but did not intend to commit those sins prior to getting drunk then they do not meet the criteria to be a sin.
    I don't know if that is necessarily so. Maybe in extreme cases but certainly not in cases of repeated drunkeness when it is usually know by the perp that they are likely to engage in sinful activity. (Although sinful activity is NOT always done in drunkenness, still drunkenness is a sin, mortal, too I believe.)
    No, I am not drunk, I am just rambling.


    You are not rambling; you are making good sense. Everyone else is too. Thanks. Please pray for me that I change my ways and live a virtuous life. Help live for Christ and not this world anymore. I am so ashamed. Have Mercy on my, Lord.