I never claimed you applied the "wicked pharisees" quote to the whole SSPX,

You just did above.

How can you say the Society as a whole is bad when Bishop Fellay hasn't even said much since he got in trouble for his comment over the h0Ɩ0cαųst? And you don't think you slander them? Come on, you called them "wicked pharisees"

 I'm sick of you.  You complain about me talking about the subject but people like you keep bringing it up.

but you're using what the parish priests did to say the SSPX is a cult. That's the only reason I brought it up. Why do you keep bringing up how I thought you dated a 14 year-old?

Because you suggested that you read carefully when you don't.

I apologized for that. In case you haven't noticed, I'm being more reasonable about this to avoid what happened when you and I got in an argument about this on the original thread.

If you want to be reasonable address the topics at hand and quit personalizing these discussions.

Ok, let's keep this on a non-personal level then. Other than your personal experiences, please give evidence that the SSPX is a cult.

There is a cult mentality that exists within the SSPX, and cultish behavior.

Manipulative, abusive, and hypocritical behavior, defended with unreasoning blind loyalty.  A fundamental lack of consistency in the positions of the society and a lack of constancy.  A certain clique now has nearly absolute power.  And individual chapels tend to have favored families that try to "rule the roost" They are interested in remaining in favor with the society priests, and the Faith comes second to their concern about their social position.

The backyard radio trads did a broadcast on the sort of behavior you see at these chapels.  

What I see is hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty, and the lack of charity in the leadership, and a lot of fear of "making waves" among the followers.  

And getting back to Bishop Williamson's comments - yes - there is definitely a liberalizing tendency that can be detected.  It's unmistakable.  

I dis-agree. I'll admit that Bishop Fellay's recent decisions have not been of the best, but remember that the Society as a whole does not think like him. Why the need to make such posts on an SSPX forum?

You just asked me the question SS.  If you want me not to say it don't ask me.  

Tele can't give any evidence that the SSPX is cultish other than his personal experiences. You're right about the NO parishes stevus, they're the definition of cultish. They brain-wash people into thinking the New Mass is ok.

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Tele can't give any evidence that the SSPX is cultish other than his personal experiences.

The origin of the cultishness is in the leadership and their behavior.  I've gone over it in many threads SS.  As I've said before, it's impossible to discuss things with you.  Suppressing the works of the founder so as not have to explain current positions - classic cult behavior.

I agree that Bishop Fellay has not been handling things right...but how does that make the Society as a whole cultish? Especially when Bishop Williamson isn't getting much of a say-so since his legal troubles.

From the Catechism of Trent

Under Holy Matrimony. In my book it is on page 380, but many people will probably look for it online. So look for Matrimony.

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Consent Of Parents
Among other things, children should be exhorted earnestly that they owe as a tribute of respect to their parents, or to those under whose guardianship and authority they are placed, not to contract marriage without their knowledge, still less in defiance of their express wishes. It should be observed that in the Old Law children were always given in marriage by their fathers; and that the will of the parent is always to have very great influence on the choice of the child, is clear from these words of the Apostle He that giveth his virgin in marriage doth well; and he that giveth her not, doth better.

Exhorted, not bound.  Owed a as a tribute of respect, not as a duty.  The father's authority does not bind children in this matter.  Nor is any Catholic bound by the Old Law.  As for the statement that a father does better by not giving his daughter up in marriage - I should certainly hope that no father would think from this that he should try to keep his daughter from marrying at all.

15. It is also a great blessing that the Church has limited, so far as is needful, the power of fathers of families, so that sons and daughters, wishing to marry, are not in any way deprived of their rightful freedom;

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_le13ar.htm

All priests should make it clear what the rights of grown children are.  Those who make penitents believe they're bound to obey when they are not are practicing deceit.

I will research the works of Tomas Sanchez to see what he says about these things.

There's a world of difference between exhorting someone to do something and binding them to do it.