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ELEISON COMMENTS CXCVI (April 16, 2011) : STAY AWAKE !
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  • ELEISON  COMMENTS  CXCVI  (April 16, 2011) : STAY  AWAKE !
     
    In a situation of the world so serious that there are even rumours of Japan's recent peacetime disaster, with its estimated 27,000 people dead, being not an act of God but an act of man ( look up HAARP tsunami on the Internet ), what can a Catholic do to save his soul ?  In all truth he cannot do much for the world, but the very least he can do for himself is watch, or stay awake.
     
    It is Our Lord in the Garden of Gethsemane who puts watching, i.e. keeping our eyes open and not falling asleep, even in front of praying (Mt. XXVI,41). The reason is obvious. If, like Peter, James and John, I do not keep watch (Mt.XXVI,43), I will cease to pray, maybe, as in their case, when Our Lord most needs it. How many Catholics in the 1950's and 1960's, especially the clergy, were not watching the signs of the times in Church and world, and so were caught completely on the wrong foot by Vatican II ?  That is why "Eleison Comments", as "Letters from the Rector" used to do, are constantly turning on economics and politics, to get Catholics to wake up to their religion and its demands, far outweighed by its promises (I Cor. II,9).
     
    Thus an expert on Wall Street (see JSmineset.com, March 30, 2011) may say, "The financial system is screwed up beyond repair. On top of that there is no desire to repair anything because the wise guys know it is impossible. It is the world that the flushing of Lehman has created. It is not a brave new world"...  Jim Sinclair says it does not matter how much "funny money", as one can call it, the central banks go on creating..."The damage is done and there is no solution... please get physically self-reliant" (his words, my underlining).
     
    Still, even Traditional Catholics are being tempted to doze off, not to say fall asleep. Here are two recent testimonies. The first is from a teacher in a Traditional school :-- "I feel awfully alone in the battle, not the battle with external enemies in the world, but the battle inside the Society of St Pius X, which is being waged with such subtlety that nobody seems aware of it. It is the same as it was in the mainstream Church in the 1960's, the same slow gradual shift in behaviour."
     
    The second comes from an inside observer of today's Traditional Catholic scene in the USA :-- " It appears to me that Catholic militancy is declining. I see many Traditional Catholics, especially family fathers, accepting the ways of the world. The fight is no longer important to them. They are happy to have their beautiful Mass on Sunday, but on Monday send their children to public school. Each November they go out and vote for the lesser of two evils, watch (conservative?) Fox News and declare the (conservative?) Republican Party to be the answer to all of the world's problems. In my humble opinion this lack of militancy is becoming more and more pervasive in the Traditional Catholic world. Are we (the laity) returning to the same set of circuмstances that led to Vatican II ?  Is the Sunday Catholic now the predominant majority in the Traditional movement ? I'm afraid that the answer to both of these questions may be, yes."

    For is it not so much easier to give up trying to swim against today's current, so much cosier to fall into the arms of Sleep ? The very least one can do for oneself is throw out that television set.


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    Still, even Traditional Catholics are being tempted to doze off, not to say fall asleep. Here are two recent testimonies. The first is from a teacher in a Traditional school :-- "I feel awfully alone in the battle, not the battle with external enemies in the world, but the battle inside the Society of St Pius X, which is being waged with such subtlety that nobody seems aware of it. It is the same as it was in the mainstream Church in the 1960's, the same slow gradual shift in behaviour."

    The second comes from an inside observer of today's Traditional Catholic scene in the USA :-- " It appears to me that Catholic militancy is declining. I see many Traditional Catholics, especially family fathers, accepting the ways of the world. The fight is no longer important to them. They are happy to have their beautiful Mass on Sunday, but on Monday send their children to public school. Each November they go out and vote for the lesser of two evils, watch (conservative?) Fox News and declare the (conservative?) Republican Party to be the answer to all of the world's problems. In my humble opinion this lack of militancy is becoming more and more pervasive in the Traditional Catholic world. Are we (the laity) returning to the same set of circuмstances that led to Vatican II ? Is the Sunday Catholic now the predominant majority in the Traditional movement ? I'm afraid that the answer to both of these questions may be, yes."


    powerful words


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    In a situation of the world so serious that there are even rumours of Japan's recent peacetime disaster, with its estimated 27,000 people dead, being not an act of God but an act of man ( look up HAARP tsunami on the Internet ), what can a Catholic do to save his soul ?


     :facepalm:

    BW has such a brilliant intellect and insight as regards matters of Faith, it is disturbing to see him attach himself to SO MANY conspiracy theories. His enemies have already reduced his mainstream credibility to zero. Yet, his sincere, but misguided belief in these theories keep proving to be his achilles heel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program#Conspiracy_theories

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    The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the US Air Force, the US Navy, the University of Alaska and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).[1] Its purpose is to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance purposes.[2] The HAARP program operates a major Arctic facility, known as the HAARP Research Station, on an Air Force owned site near Gakona, Alaska.

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    HAARP is the subject of numerous conspiracy theories, with individuals ascribing various hidden motives and capabilities to the project. Journalist Sharon Weinberger called HAARP "the Moby Dick of conspiracy theories" and said the popularity of conspiracy theories often overshadows the benefits HAARP may provide to the scientific community.[15][16] Skeptic computer scientist David Naiditch called HAARP "a magnet for conspiracy theorists", saying the project has been blamed for triggering catastrophes such as floods, droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms, and devastating earthquakes in Pakistan and the Philippines aimed to shake up "terrorists." Naiditch says HAARP has been blamed for diverse events including major power outages, the downing of TWA Flight 800, Gulf War syndrome, and chronic fatigue syndrome. Conspiracy theorists have also suggested links between HAARP and the work of Nikola Tesla (particularly potential combinations of HAARP energy with Tesla's work on pneumatic small-scale earthquake generation) and physicist Bernard Eastlund. According to Naiditch, HAARP is an attractive target for conspiracy theorists because "its purpose seems deeply mysterious to the scientifically uninformed".[17] Conspiracy theorists have linked HAARP to numerous earthquakes. An opinion piece on a Venezuelan state-run television channel's website named HAARP as a cause of the 2010 Haiti earthquake.

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    "I feel awfully alone in the battle, not the battle with external enemies in the world, but the battle inside the Society of St Pius X, which is being waged with such subtlety that nobody seems aware of it. It is the same as it was in the mainstream Church in the 1960's, the same slow gradual shift in behaviour."


    I suspect this battle has nothing to do with the battle that Tele conjures for his own purposes, though he gleefully reports this testimony in order to bolster whatever opinions he harbors.

    This is not surprising.  It is spiritual warfare.  To observe the weaknesses and tendencies of laity is a farily easy thing to do.  The remedy on the other hand is not mentioned.  What is it?  It is nothing other than living the ascetic life.  Our position has not changed as catholics, the only difference is the diabolical environment in which we find ourselves.  Our efforts must be at least commensurate with this fact.  When they are not, you will see decline and worldliness.  Realizing how wicked the world is is useful only insofar as we recognize the same wickedness in us.  Realizing the faults of others is useful insofar as we first blame ourselves and then set about repairing the damage by sacrifice.        

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    "I feel awfully alone in the battle, not the battle with external enemies in the world, but the battle inside the Society of St Pius X, which is being waged with such subtlety that nobody seems aware of it. It is the same as it was in the mainstream Church in the 1960's, the same slow gradual shift in behaviour."


    I suspect this battle has nothing to do with the battle that Tele conjures for his own purposes, though he gleefully reports this testimony in order to bolster whatever opinions he harbors.


    It has everything to do with it, and you know it.  When you see priests shifting their positions to accommodate modern values, it's clear what's going on.  When you see cult-like defenders smearing everyone who questions what's going on, then it becomes comprehensible how the priests get away with it.


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    In a situation of the world so serious that there are even rumours of Japan's recent peacetime disaster, with its estimated 27,000 people dead, being not an act of God but an act of man ( look up HAARP tsunami on the Internet ), what can a Catholic do to save his soul ?


     :facepalm:

    BW has such a brilliant intellect and insight as regards matters of Faith, it is disturbing to see him attach himself to SO MANY conspiracy theories. His enemies have already reduced his mainstream credibility to zero. Yet, his sincere, but misguided belief in these theories keep proving to be his achilles heel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program#Conspiracy_theories

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    The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the US Air Force, the US Navy, the University of Alaska and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).[1] Its purpose is to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance purposes.[2] The HAARP program operates a major Arctic facility, known as the HAARP Research Station, on an Air Force owned site near Gakona, Alaska.

    .......

    HAARP is the subject of numerous conspiracy theories, with individuals ascribing various hidden motives and capabilities to the project. Journalist Sharon Weinberger called HAARP "the Moby Dick of conspiracy theories" and said the popularity of conspiracy theories often overshadows the benefits HAARP may provide to the scientific community.[15][16] Skeptic computer scientist David Naiditch called HAARP "a magnet for conspiracy theorists", saying the project has been blamed for triggering catastrophes such as floods, droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms, and devastating earthquakes in Pakistan and the Philippines aimed to shake up "terrorists." Naiditch says HAARP has been blamed for diverse events including major power outages, the downing of TWA Flight 800, Gulf War syndrome, and chronic fatigue syndrome. Conspiracy theorists have also suggested links between HAARP and the work of Nikola Tesla (particularly potential combinations of HAARP energy with Tesla's work on pneumatic small-scale earthquake generation) and physicist Bernard Eastlund. According to Naiditch, HAARP is an attractive target for conspiracy theorists because "its purpose seems deeply mysterious to the scientifically uninformed".[17] Conspiracy theorists have linked HAARP to numerous earthquakes. An opinion piece on a Venezuelan state-run television channel's website named HAARP as a cause of the 2010 Haiti earthquake.


    It has been admitted by officers of the Air Force to the mainstream media that besides surveillance HAARP IS used for weather manipulation. The horses mouth is a very credible source, is it not?

    Stop reading Wikipedia and do some actual research. As a matter of fact, the information you sited in the article is outdated by more than a year ( a testimony to the ignorance of it's writer). I'll let you find out for yourself, rather than tell you, so you can correct it.


    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

    "We must risk something for God!"~Hernan Cortes


    TEJANO AND PROUD!

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    "I feel awfully alone in the battle, not the battle with external enemies in the world, but the battle inside the Society of St Pius X, which is being waged with such subtlety that nobody seems aware of it. It is the same as it was in the mainstream Church in the 1960's, the same slow gradual shift in behaviour."


    I suspect this battle has nothing to do with the battle that Tele conjures for his own purposes, though he gleefully reports this testimony in order to bolster whatever opinions he harbors.


    It has everything to do with it, and you know it.  When you see priests shifting their positions to accommodate modern values, it's clear what's going on.  When you see cult-like defenders smearing everyone who questions what's going on, then it becomes comprehensible how the priests get away with it.


    These are rather vague charges.  Can you cite some specific, concrete examples?  

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  • Stevus, the HAARP stuff and weaponised weather is real.  There is ample docuмentation, even treaties were signed against weather wars.

    I'm too lazy to link it up for you, but Bishop Wiliamson is by no means discrediting anything by any such theory.

    The plans for depopulation of the world for "sustainability" are also well docuмented.  Therefore, there is nothing far-fetched about suggesting that the warnings of our good Catholic prophets might be coming to pass.

    Good old +Williamson knew immediately that 9-11 was fishy, and published his thoughts about it 2 days later.

    We need people like the Bishop and skeptics like Stevus at the same time. :cheers:






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    These are rather vague charges.  Can you cite some specific, concrete examples?  


    I already have gone over it.  Numerous times.  The Church teaches what it teaches.  If they can't teach what the church teaches because they want more control then they have a serious problem.

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  • Right, in other words, you've got nothing substantial to say.  

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    Right, in other words, you've got nothing substantial to say.  


    Wrong, I've already said it.  Apparently you and many others think it's fine for SSPX priests to not teach Catholic teachings.

    You're the one trying to shift my posting of Bishop Williamon's column back onto me personally.  It just shows you how the apologists for cult-like behavior operate.  It's all ad hominem, all the time.


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  • You're complaing about ad hominems?  LOL.  :laugh1:  You're the KING of ad hominem attacks.  

    BTW, as if it isn't obvious already, you've never cited one "Catholic teaching" which the SSPX doesn't teach or denies.

    If not adhering to your blind rage make me a "cult member" then I suppose I'm guilty.  But thankfully, we are not required to submit to the subjective emotions of laymen.  

    When you get some hard facts, let me know.  Until then, it was nice talking to you.

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    ELEISON  COMMENTS  CXCVI  (April 16, 2011) : STAY  AWAKE !
     
    In a situation of the world so serious that there are even rumours of Japan's recent peacetime disaster, with its estimated 27,000 people dead, being not an act of God but an act of man ( look up HAARP tsunami on the Internet ), what can a Catholic do to save his soul ?  In all truth he cannot do much for the world, but the very least he can do for himself is watch, or stay awake.
     
    It is Our Lord in the Garden of Gethsemane who puts watching, i.e. keeping our eyes open and not falling asleep, even in front of praying (Mt. XXVI,41). The reason is obvious. If, like Peter, James and John, I do not keep watch (Mt.XXVI,43), I will cease to pray, maybe, as in their case, when Our Lord most needs it. How many Catholics in the 1950's and 1960's, especially the clergy, were not watching the signs of the times in Church and world, and so were caught completely on the wrong foot by Vatican II ?  That is why "Eleison Comments", as "Letters from the Rector" used to do, are constantly turning on economics and politics, to get Catholics to wake up to their religion and its demands, far outweighed by its promises (I Cor. II,9).
     
    Thus an expert on Wall Street (see JSmineset.com, March 30, 2011) may say, "The financial system is screwed up beyond repair. On top of that there is no desire to repair anything because the wise guys know it is impossible. It is the world that the flushing of Lehman has created. It is not a brave new world"...  Jim Sinclair says it does not matter how much "funny money", as one can call it, the central banks go on creating..."The damage is done and there is no solution... please get physically self-reliant" (his words, my underlining).
     
    Still, even Traditional Catholics are being tempted to doze off, not to say fall asleep. Here are two recent testimonies. The first is from a teacher in a Traditional school :-- "I feel awfully alone in the battle, not the battle with external enemies in the world, but the battle inside the Society of St Pius X, which is being waged with such subtlety that nobody seems aware of it. It is the same as it was in the mainstream Church in the 1960's, the same slow gradual shift in behaviour."
     
    The second comes from an inside observer of today's Traditional Catholic scene in the USA :-- " It appears to me that Catholic militancy is declining. I see many Traditional Catholics, especially family fathers, accepting the ways of the world. The fight is no longer important to them. They are happy to have their beautiful Mass on Sunday, but on Monday send their children to public school. Each November they go out and vote for the lesser of two evils, watch (conservative?) Fox News and declare the (conservative?) Republican Party to be the answer to all of the world's problems. In my humble opinion this lack of militancy is becoming more and more pervasive in the Traditional Catholic world. Are we (the laity) returning to the same set of circuмstances that led to Vatican II ?  Is the Sunday Catholic now the predominant majority in the Traditional movement ? I'm afraid that the answer to both of these questions may be, yes."

    For is it not so much easier to give up trying to swim against today's current, so much cosier to fall into the arms of Sleep ? The very least one can do for oneself is throw out that television set.


    Such a great letter from a great bishop.  Wish he was at the helm of the SSPX!

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    You're complaing about ad hominems?  LOL.  :laugh1:  You're the KING of ad hominem attacks.  


    Caminus, I posted this column and you made your response about the person posting it.  You personalize everything.

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    BTW, as if it isn't obvious already, you've never cited one "Catholic teaching" which the SSPX doesn't teach or denies.


    More nonsense.  It has been extensively discussed.  Part of the new cult strategy for squelching criticism is to start tarring people as "antisemites" and "conspiracy theorists" as well.  It's all about branding the critic with calumnies to keep control and avoid answering criticisms.

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    If not adhering to your blind rage make me a "cult member" then I suppose I'm guilty.


    What makes you a cult apologist is the way you strenuously attack all critics without actually discussing the content of an argument.

     
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    But thankfully, we are not required to submit to the subjective emotions of laymen.  

    When you get some hard facts, let me know.  Until then, it was nice talking to you.


    You started this with your claim that I "gleefully" posted this column by the bishop but you're certain it has nothing to do with my situation?  Don't pretend you care about facts or about not judging people.


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  • Either you have a selective memory or you are lying.  I would prefer to think the former than the latter.  So to keep your memory fresh, neither you nor anyone else has uttered an opinion or proposition that I have not dealt directly with, either to affirm or deny.  The usual response I get from you is either to ignore what I say or merely keep parrotting your inane charges (how many times have you used the term 'cult' now?).  If I sprinkle a few ad hominems in their its for a little perspective and maybe some spice that has nothing whatsoever to do with the substance of my arguments.  What does leak out is really only a fraction of the verbal tongue lashing that you actually deserve for all of your lies, calumny and distortions.  I notice that you have missed your own repugnant tactics in this never ceasing campaign.  Who is it really that poisons the well?  Who has set up the grotesque caricature of people who simply call into question the soundness of your criticism?  You are truly a sick man (yes, that's an AD HOMINEM).