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Offline Ekim

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Egyptian Obelisk’s???
« on: July 14, 2019, 01:37:15 AM »
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    • Ive had the grace to tour Rome and see that many popes have gone through great efforts and expense to display Egyptian obelisk’s...does anyone know why?  I always thought these were pagan symbols.
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 12:50:15 PM »
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    • We too have seen these obelisks, and asked the same question.  They are, I think, phallic symbols.  Why have they been moved and re-erected in Rome at great effort and expense?  Some of the answers may be found in Michael Hoffman's latest book, The Occult Renaissance of Rome.
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #2 on: July 14, 2019, 02:21:13 PM »
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    • I’ve read that the Ancient Romans brought them back as trophies after conquest and that they were later discovered at different times of excavation.  The Popes did not seek them out but merely discovered and displayed them.  That still doesn’t answer the “Why?”.  If they were occultist / phallic as many have suggested then why did many good and holy Popes allow them to stand? (Rhetorical question).
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #3 on: July 14, 2019, 02:50:00 PM »
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    • Egyptian architecture was picked up by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. See the Washington monument as another example. Likewise the pyramid on the reverse of the US greenback.
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #4 on: July 14, 2019, 03:54:31 PM »
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    • Symbols of a millennia-dead religion are of no harm or relevance to anyone. 
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #5 on: July 14, 2019, 04:12:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on July 14, 2019, 03:54:31 PM
    Symbols of a millennia-dead religion are of no harm or relevance to anyone.
    THERE it is.  Been waiting for that answer.  Good job Forlorn you beat a few others to it.  
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #6 on: July 14, 2019, 05:15:51 PM »
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    • If you notice, the obelisks are topped by a cross symbolizing Christianity's dominance over paganism. Don’t look for problems with the Church, She knows what She is doing.
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #7 on: July 14, 2019, 07:55:05 PM »
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    • Well either the popes in the late middle ages to the early modern period were secret occultists.  Or just some busybodies in the Vatican government liked obelisks...

    It goes far deeper than obelisks though, there were pagan symbols erected throughout Europe during this time period.  The Vatican spent serious money patronizing some of these pagan symbols.  

    Though are no answers, only speculation, it is a true rabbit hole.  I went down it years ago and I haven't really though about it since.  
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #8 on: July 14, 2019, 08:14:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: tdrev123 on July 14, 2019, 07:55:05 PM
    Well either the popes in the late middle ages to the early modern period were secret occultists.  Or just some busybodies in the Vatican government liked obelisks...

    It goes far deeper than obelisks though, there were pagan symbols erected throughout Europe during this time period.  The Vatican spent serious money patronizing some of these pagan symbols.  

    Though are no answers, only speculation, it is a true rabbit hole.  I went down it years ago and I haven't really though about it since.  
    Examples? The vast majority of pagan symbols around the place are ones that predate Christianity(in the region at least) and just got re-purposed or kept for historical value. There are probably Freemasonic pagan symbols put up around the place that know one even knows are there/are pagan, but this idea of the Church and Catholic governments secretly being pagan occultists is just silly. If you believed the Church was corrupted that long, you might as well join Ibranyi in declaring the last 1,000 years of Popes as anti-Popes. That'd be the logical conclusion to such a bizarre theory. 
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #9 on: July 14, 2019, 08:58:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on July 14, 2019, 08:14:44 PM
    Examples? The vast majority of pagan symbols around the place are ones that predate Christianity(in the region at least) and just got re-purposed or kept for historical value. There are probably Freemasonic pagan symbols put up around the place that know one even knows are there/are pagan, but this idea of the Church and Catholic governments secretly being pagan occultists is just silly. If you believed the Church was corrupted that long, you might as well join Ibranyi in declaring the last 1,000 years of Popes as anti-Popes. That'd be the logical conclusion to such a bizarre theory.
      :applause:  Exactly! :fryingpan:
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #10 on: July 14, 2019, 09:09:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on July 14, 2019, 08:14:44 PM
    that know one even knows are there
    that no* one even knows are there
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #11 on: July 14, 2019, 09:11:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on July 14, 2019, 12:50:15 PM
    We too have seen these obelisks, and asked the same question.  They are, I think, phallic symbols.  Why have they been moved and re-erected in Rome at great effort and expense?  Some of the answers may be found in Michael Hoffman's latest book, The Occult Renaissance of Rome.

    When a Marrano loses credibility as being an authentic Catholic, he has to morph into a Protestant to keep selling books :jester:
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #12 on: July 14, 2019, 09:17:48 PM »
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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #13 on: July 14, 2019, 09:54:06 PM »
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    • The obelisk in front of St. Peters stood in a circus from where it was transported to and erected in front of the new basilica being built in the late 1500s. The Apostle Peter had been martyred in that same circus at the time of Nero. It has been a symbol of the victory of catholic Rome over pagan Rome ever since the 4th century.

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #14 on: July 14, 2019, 11:44:32 PM »
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    The Popes did not seek them out but merely discovered and displayed them.  That still doesn’t answer the “Why?”.  If they were occultist / phallic as many have suggested then why did many good and holy Popes allow them to stand? (Rhetorical question).

    One can’t dispute the possible motives of popes for reconstructing these enormous symbols. You all may be right- that they were merely re-erected in order to display the triumph of Christ and His Church over ancient paganism, and later, perhaps, over Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. All that said, these were no small projects. The building stones weigh tons and tons. It required Hurculean engineering efforts at an astronomical cost. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense. The "why?" has not been answered satisfactorily for me either. My limited sensus Catolicus just can't deal with it.
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