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Offline Struthio

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Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2019, 11:54:54 PM »
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  • It required Hurculean engineering efforts at an astronomical cost. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    There are pictures showing the process. Yes, the engineering was avantgarde and probably not inexpensive. But some men, horses, and ropes were easily affordable then (no Obamacare!).
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #16 on: July 15, 2019, 05:05:11 AM »
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  • Going mad over ancient pagan monuments is more of a Protestant trait than a Catholic one. Catholicism has almost always tended towards preserving pagan monuments and even festivals, just giving them a new meaning. A monument is at the end of the day just a big lump of stone. Stone is not idolatrous. It's only when people put meaning into that stone, asserting that its particular shape represents their false god, that it becomes an idol. When there are no longer people doing that, it is no longer ans idol and there'a no need to do that. It can be repurposed for a new meaning or kept for historical value. 


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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #17 on: July 15, 2019, 07:24:06 AM »
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  • Then it should have been left as a pile of rubble with a cross on top.  The sign should read: Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ SHALL NOT PASS HERE!  Instead Pius IX donated to the erection (no pun intended) of the Washington Monument.  Ask Maurice Pinay to tell you all about it
    You write like a Protestant. Yah, you know more and are a better Catholic than Venerable Pius IX.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #18 on: July 15, 2019, 07:55:39 AM »
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  • This shouldn't be a rhetorical question. It deserves an answer. I'd like to know why, too.
    Rome’s Obelisks:
     
    ‘In his Sunday blessing, Pope Benedict XVI noted that the Vatican itself has its own meridian — an obelisk in St. Peter’s Square — and that astronomy had long been used to signal prayer times for the faithful.’ --- NCBnews.com 28/12/2008

    As a sign of its power in the world, pagan Rome transported many Egyptian monuments and artefacts for display throughout their city, more than any other conquering powers in the world. Obelisks were deemed ideal for this purpose. One such obelisk was the giant made out of solid granite, climbing 25 metres high and weighing in at over 320 tons and whose history showed it was made for ancient Egypt’s most sacred city Anu, known to the Greeks as Heliopolis, meaning ‘The City of the Sun,’ a city that had at its centre this heliocentric Sun Temple. This pillar however, was unusual in that no hieroglyphics were written on it. The story goes that in 37AD, the tyrant cannibalistic pagan Emperor Caligula (12-41AD) ordered this obelisk be brought to Rome and placed in the Vatican circus, a site where Christians were killed and sacrificed to demons. St Peter was martyred on this very spot thus giving the place eternal notoriety.
    With the advent of Constantine the Great (272-337AD) and his concessions to Christianity throughout his empire and especially in the ancient city of Rome, the Emperor decided to allow this site to become the home of Catholicism, a special place to start its own spiritual and institutional empire. The great Basilica of St Peter rose up here from the ground over the years and other marvelous buildings were created for the business of running the Church. As for the obelisk of Heliopolis, well, while still on the site, providentially, it became redundant and faded into obscurity on some waste ground.


    In the 15th century however, Pope Nicolas V (1447-1455), ‘whose plans were of embellishing the city with new monuments worthy of the capital of the Christian world,’ decided to do something with this obelisk, not to destroy the pagan symbol or have it taken out of the holy city, but to move it in front of the Basilica itself. To ‘Christianise’ the object, if such a vulgar symbolic thing could ever be Christianised, the Pope thought of placing the four Evangelists in bronze at its base and Jesus with a golden cross on the top. Providence stepped in however, Pope Nicolas V died in 1544 and the obelisk remained in the ditch where it surely belonged. Nearly fifty years later, Pope Sixtus V (1585-90), nicknamed ‘the last of the Renaissance Popes,’ was motivated to do what Pope Nicolas V was prevented by death from doing, move the obelisk to the square in front of St Peter’s. His reasons for doing this were not Catholic either, but seem to have been based on human pride. His intention, we are told, was similar to that of the pagan Roman emperors who brought them to Rome in the first place – as a sign or display of the temporal power that the Church had in the world at the time. In this case, the Pope decided to place horses around its base rather than the intended four Evangelists that Pope Nicolas V wanted. Thankfully he omitted the Christ figure on top envisaged by his predecessor, leaving instead what were regarded as remnants of the true cross in the bronze sphere already at the top of the pedestal. To this he added a star over three mountains, his own personal family crest, and finally on top of both, a golden cross. Strange that neither pope thought of creating a worthy monument in St Peter’s Square, the greatest of all Christian reminders, a crucifix depicting the crucified Christ on the cross. After the installation of the obelisk in 1586, a scandalous exercise we are led to believe, people being evicted out of their homes and properties to accommodate the new location (see Talisman), Pope Sixtus V decided it best to exorcise it and this was done with great liturgical aplomb. But all the blessings Rome gave the thing could not undo its original symbolism. The irony of it all was that by placing a cross on the top of the pillar, they actually turned it back into a more definitive representation of what it was in the ‘City of the Sun,’ Anu-Heliopolis, the very place the symbolic phallic cut rock originally came from, for it too had a cross on top of it. All that was missing of the original site was a circle around its base with divisions of eight marked within it, ‘the standard hieroglyphic indicator of a city.'

    Another such story occurred during the reign of Pope Urban VIII. Two close acquaintances of the Pope’s were Galileo and Lorenzo Bernini. Then there was Bernini’s friend, Fr Athanasius Kircher; S.J. (1602-1680), described by Frances Yates as the ‘most notable descendant of the hermetic-Cabalist tradition,’ a Jesuit who devoted his life to researching the origins of all things without distinction.  A brilliant historian, mathematician and linguist (he is reputed to have known over 20 languages) Fr Kircher specialised in all things Egyptian and set up a museum for this purpose. Because of this he was invited to study and lecture at the Jesuit College in Rome in 1635, a mere two years after Galileo’s trial. One of the subjects Fr Kircher devoted his time to was trying to interpret Egyptian hieroglyphs, an understanding he believed he mastered, reading into them profound mysteries and wisdom. It was not until two hundred years later, in the 1820s, that Jean Francois Champollion deciphered the true meaning of these hieroglyphs with the help of the ‘Rosetta Stone.’ Thus the obelisks were ‘seen to enshrine not “the highest mysteries of Divinity” as Kircher thought, but rather a dull record, for the most part, of the acts and attributes of [Egyptian] kings."     It was Fr Kircher then, who said the ‘writings’ and signs on Egypt’s ancient obelisks referred to the Trinity of Christians and were worthy of preservation and display. For this reason then Roman churchmen ‘embraced these prophetic obelisks’ and had no problem erecting many of them in the squares of Rome


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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #19 on: July 15, 2019, 10:58:17 AM »
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  • In 1655, the then Pope Alexander VII (1655-1667) commissioned the now famous Bernini to redesign St Peter’s Square. This work was interrupted when King Louis XIV invited Bernini to Paris. On his return Bernini completed the work, marking out what looks like a circle with the obelisk at its centre point but in fact it is an ellipse, with the phallic obelisk as its centre or generating point as Kepler, Newton and others used it to accommodate their heliocentrism. Bernini’s solution was to design a piazza in the form of an ellipse; the foci of the ellipse are indicated by marble and granite disks embedded within the pavement of the piazza. The elliptical shape also symbolizes the Church’s embrace of all of mankind, “the motherly arms of the church,” as Bernini described his Colonnade. But more than that for Bernini then filled the space with a large eight-rayed sun wheel design - symbol of Ishtar. At the very centre of the larger wheel there was then created an inner four-pointed sun-wheel, the same symbol as found on the altar-stone in the temple of Baal.

    'Coincidence or not? Or could some secret group, capable of sustaining influence over the papacy over many decades, have understood ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs long before scholars learned to read them in the nineteenth century? Anu-Heliopolis was the archetypal ‘City of the Sun’ that Bruno and Campanella had determined to restore.’ --- Talisman, p.305.

    So, here, in the most important and photographed place in Christendom, the Vatican City, and its pride of place St Peter’s Square, which more fittingly should contain a magnificent crucifix, is turned into a pagan representation of the ‘City of the Sun,’ complete with its ‘heretical’ Keplerian elliptical geometry about to be used by Isaac Newton to conjure up their solar-system condemned as formal heresy in 1616 and 1633. Coincidence indeed, why not even in Dan Brown Angels and Demons could such a ‘chance happening’ be taken seriously.  

    Finally, in their book, Beauval and Hohenzollern state in their preface:

     ‘REBIRTH’:

    ‘The story we are about to tell is as strange as it is controversial. If we are right, then Roman Christianity, indeed perhaps, all of Christianity, is about to be turned on its head. Most Christians today are unaware that not so long ago, a handful if very wise and very brave philosophers kickstarted an intellectual and spiritual revolution in a seemingly impossible bid to reform the Church into a very different thing indeed. Their mission was to [implement the Copernican/Galilean Revolution and] liberate Christianity from the stranglehold of an oppressive clergy and their dogmas, and turn it into a magical religion of nature, the “true religion of the world,” governed by wise and benevolent philosopher-priests from a city of the sun” set in the heart of Christendom: Rome.’[1]

    [1] Robert Beauval and Chiara Hohenzollern: The Vatican Heresy: Bernini and the Building of the Hermetic temple of the Sun, Bear and Company, 2014.

    ‘Giordano Bruno’s martyrdom inspired numerous revolutionary cohorts to believe the restoration of the City of the Sun should be completed at the heart of the Vatican. And they accomplished this with architecture. These “Solarians,” wished to bring the natural magic and the truth of the Solar system’s operation into the realm of the Church. They hoped to eventually introduce all the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus (Hermetic knowledge) into the Church. The arrival of a new age or Sothic cycle was well known by Bruno and Campanella from these teachings. When Pope Urban VIII became afraid that a cycle of eclipses foretold his death, he released Campanella from the Inquisition to use the power of his natural knowledge to save him from damnation.’[1]


    [1] Amazon website: comment on above book

    And how well they succeeded. In 1835 Pope Pius VII allowed imprimaturs for heliocentrism 'according to the findings of modern asrtronomers.' Since then history records Modernism took over the Catholic Church and the flock left it in their billions.


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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #20 on: July 15, 2019, 11:22:17 AM »
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  • The word Helios for the sun comes from Helios the sun god as he was called, the son of Hyperion and Theia, thus the terms heliocentrism and heliolatry. In the Holy Scriptures (3 Kings 16:31-33) we are told of Baal, Bal or Bel, the sun god of the Phoenicians, characterised by the most scandalously impure rites. Then there were the sun gods of the Canaanites and Mithraists of Persia. Sun worshipping is also condemned in 4 Kings: 23:5-11 and Wisdom: 13:2 where it teaches ‘the circle of the stars, or the great water, or the sun and moon’ were created as witness to their Creator and not ‘to be the gods that rule the world.’

    Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a continuation of the Mysteries, the religious institutions of the sun-worshipping pagans. Among other things, there is a common legend as the explanation for their rites and symbols. This bond, common in the hermetic, Gnostic and cabbalistic writings, is called Phallicism. In all of them, homage was paid either to the phallus as an object of adoration and worship, or as a symbol of the creative principle, or to the sun as the generative principle. It is the basis of their sun worship, tree-worship, animal worship, serpent worship, and man worship.

    ‘Phallicism, fundamentally, is the deification and worship of the procreative or self-propagating power of the life of nature, that secret mysterious energy, endowment or power that animates all vegetable and animal creatures, and which perpetually dying, renews itself in new, similar yet different forms. Phallicists view this mysterious energy as the divine nature, and usually in the conception of the divine triad, the creator, the preserver and the destroyer of life, and worship and adore it as the deity. One of the most ancient as well as the most widespread forms of phallicism was sun worship, heliolatry, or light worship, Mithraism.
    In view of the divine command “Increase and multiply, and fill the Earth” (Gen.1:2), the generation of human life became a most solemn privilege, a pure and holy function. The Mystery of it must have impressed most profoundly the first human pair, and doubtless the first religious act on the part of Adam and Eve was an appreciation to the Source and Author of life for the power to procreate it. In the course of time this Author and Source became [to the pagans] associated with the organs and factors of its reproduction, and then supplanted by them as an object of veneration and worship. The mysterious rite of connubial love became perverted, the imagination of man’s senseless heart became corrupt; the power of procreating life became deified and worshipped under phallic emblems, which in turn became the deities. The perversion continued until it culminated in many places and in diverse ages, in sacred prostitution. The phallic emblems [like obelisks] became objects of adoration.’ --- M. L Wagner: Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ: An Interpretation

    Lucifer, enraged because he was created without the power to generate, tries to overcome this creative and natural deficiency by proxy. This manifested itself in pagan belief and now in modern evolutionism wherein the sun is given the credit for all life ‘evolving’ on Earth. We see above how this came about, and below, that it continues today within Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and their rites and symbols.

    ‘The text goes on “To the ‘advanced enlightened ones,’ the adepts at the top, the nature worship is understood as the worship of the generative principles (i.e., the sex organs), particularly the phallus… the phallus, the male ‘generative principle’ has been worshipped as representing the Sun’s rays.’[1]

    Following from the above, it takes little imagination to see that ancient and Egyptian obelisks, designed for astronomy, were also the most explicit of all phallic symbols, and what is written on them added to the mystery.[2]

    [1] Albert Mackey: The Masonic Ritualist, Masonic Symbolism, quoted by Rita Joseph in her article Satanic Ideology, Christian Order, April 2003, p.268.
    [2] It is claimed the word obelisk literally means ‘Baal’s shaft’ or ‘Baal’s organ of Reproduction’ --- Dr Cathy Burns: Masonic and Occult Symbols, p.341.

    Who then would believe that Rome would become the new Heliopolis with its phallic opelisk in it heliocentric courtyard. But worse than that, for Rome, since 1835 also adopted a heliocentrism condemned as formal heresy. This in turn led to the reinterpretation of Scripture in so many ways that even in the Church Genesis is not seen as man-made myths. 

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #21 on: July 15, 2019, 10:32:24 PM »
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  • What?  Is that the best you have?  Hoffman lost credibility as a Catholic?  Why, because he calls the church out on the stuff that you are too cowardly and soft to say?  Not "traditional" enough for you?  Your problem is that Hoffman is too traditional because his research predates Vatican I.  Take your blinders off fool.  


    Climax, you're a newbie here, and late in the game on this forum.

    Michael A. Hoffman went to the Inquisition at Cathinfo, was found guilty of blasphemy and heresy and burned at the stake :heretic:

    The discovery started around 2013 with PereJoseph and then BTNYC chimed in with analysis of Hoffman's writings.

    Hoffman was angry about what they found and came on this forum threatening to sue for slander.  Nothing ever happened.

    Please note, once a Marrano loses credibility as a Catholic, he has to change his theology to remain relevant. 
    In this case, Hoffmans now a protestant.  

    Some samplings on him are below, for your reading enjoyment :jester:


    Mr. Hoffman is accused of being a "ringer*", along with several others, who made-up the fraudulent "white racists" community in Coure d'Arlene, Idaho.  

    The whole story is a bit overwhelming, but suffice to say Zionist ghostwriters & ringers are a mainstay of the judaic revolution:    Coure d'Arlene ʝʊdɛօ-conspiracy



    Michael Hoffman - Ringer
    Supposedly a renegade, extremely articulate speaker and writer, who is based in Coeur d’Alene


    Hoffman has or had a certain degree credibility as an expert on the тαℓмυd, a historian and political commentator within the traditional Catholic movement. It wasn't until trads noticed his subtle attacks on Church authority, the Saints, the origin of the Jesuits... etc. that we were able to figure out his true agenda.



    * Ringer Slang Definition: A racehorse, athlete, or the like entered in a competition under false representation as to identity or ability. a student paid by another to take an exam. any person or thing that is fraudulent; fake or impostor.



    Makow link

    Hoffman - Vatican a Cabalist Jєωιѕн Front Since Renaissance
    June 7, 2017

    Far from being a break from elite Roman Catholicism the Judaic policy of the 'Vatican II Church' is the fulfillment and culmination of the centuries-old
    crypto-Kabbalism and тαℓмυdism of the Roman Catholic hierarchy.


    Michael Hoffman's new book, The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome,
    substantiates
    the argument made here in 2012 that Vatican II was
    a continuation rather than deviation from the past.

    Below it, find Jude Duffy's view that Hoffman is fundamentally anti-Catholic.



    by Michael Hoffman
    (henrymakow.com)


    With regard to the rivalry of competing elites, it is true that in general the Vatican, from the 16th century onward, served тαℓмυdic-Kabbalistic Judaism in a manner radically different from that of the British Crown.

    But to mistake tactical differences and smokescreen rhetoric for a genuine war between an anti-Judaic Vatican Catholicism and a pro-Judaic British Crown, is an enormous blunder.

    From the Renaissance onward, the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy had been infiltrated by тαℓмυdic/Kabbalistic forces, even though, on occasion, individual popes, cardinals, bishops, saints and laymen attempted to reverse the trend, without success.


    One of these, the Dominican Savonarola, left, was hanged and burned for his trouble. While it is true that Giordano Bruno was also immolated, Bruno was killed for the same reasons that the Cryptocracy did away with Mormon founder Joseph Smith, not because the cartel disagreed with his masonic philosophy, but due to his overweening ambition, whereby he was becoming a threat to their leadership. Observe too that Bruno's cult is very strong today, while Savonarola's memory is shrouded in ignominy.

    My thesis is that, far from being a break from elite Roman Catholicism since the sixteenth century, the Judaic policy of the 'Vatican II Church' as it emerged publicly after 400 hundred years, is the fulfillment and culmination of the centuries-old crypto-Kabbalism and тαℓмυdism of the Roman Catholic hierarchy.

    This is the solution to the riddle of the resistance of the popes from Paul VI onward, to naive -- though sincere and often heroic -- traditional Catholic calls to the recent occupants of the papacy, to be 'loyal to the Church of all Time,' and 'repudiate Vatican II,' and 'return the Church to as she was before the 1960s.'

    (Left. Pope John Paul outed himself and his Roman Catholic Church as Zionist flunkies by sitting on a throne with an inverted satanic cross during his visit to Israel in 2000.)

    The popes of the late twentieth and twenty-first centuries know what these uninitiated traditionalists do not: the Roman Church before Vatican II had been serving the kings of Kabbalah since the time of the Florentine Medicis. As startling as this datum will appear to most, the historical record will show that this was the case. From this occult root grew the accursed fig tree we see today.

    I anticipate the protests of some: 'but I have this church docuмent that excoriates Masonry;' and 'in such-and-such a city the тαℓмυd was burned by ecclesiastical order during the Renaissance.'

    Yes, indeed, and if these acts were part of a seamless theology and statecraft from on high, then this would be significant evidence contradicting my thesis. But those who cite these anti-Judaic tactics without being cognizant of the pro-Judaic strategy that informed them, are lost in a wilderness of mirrors.

    As Lenin stated so succinctly: "Two steps forward, one step back." In order to preserve the secret of the Renaissance and post-Renaissance Vatican's fundamental orientation to rabbinic ideology and mystical Kabbalistic gnosis and suzerainty, sometimes the hierarchy appeared to discipline or repress Judaic elements, to placate either the Catholic mob or restless intellectuals and holy persons in its own ranks. I will have much more to say about these chess moves in Renaissance Roman Catholicism.

    A call to a return to the dogma and praxis of the medieval Lateran-era Church would be truly Catholic and anti-rabbinic, and this should be the banner of the "traditionalists."

    Anything else plays into the hands of the current Vatican adepts who know better than the "traditionalists," that revolutionary change commenced in the 1500s, and that 1960s Catholicism is merely the natural child of an unnatural parent. Until Catholic "traditionalists" know what these Vatican initiates know, they will be privately mocked in Rome as gullible and ignorant enthusiasts of something that hasn't existed for more than 400 years.

    Our ignorance only evokes contempt. The conversion of modern Rome requires that we negotiate from a position of knowledge. To do this we must dispel our illusions and learn the clandestine history of the serpent that grasped hold of the Catholic Church and subjected it to revolutionary change, beginning from one of the great citadels of the Money Power, the moral sewer that was Florence -- the magnificence of its art works being no kind of absolution -- but rather, a Dorian Gray-like cover for the filth that flowed above and below, and soon spread throughout the Church at its most stratospheric levels; as presaged in The Inferno by that other Florentine, the truly Catholic Dante Alighieri.

    Don't be hoodwinked!


    (Hoffman is the author of Judaism Discovered (hardcover, 1100 pages), and Judaism's Strange Gods). His website is revisionist history.org



    Jude Duffy on why he thinks Michael Hoffman is anti Catholic-


    There are many reasons that Mr Hoffman is anti-Catholic: e.g.,  his attempts to whitewash the proven leading role of Protestants in the rise of usurious capitalism. Mr Hoffman persistently implies that this role is largely an invention of Hilaire Belloc and other Catholic polemicists, whereas in fact it is something Protestants boasted about long before Belloc was even born - and something they still boast of today.  And the facts speak for themselves, e.g., the dominating role of Huguenots in the foundation of the Bank of England.

    It's one thing to argue, validly, that Catholics were far from blameless for the rise of usury, but Mr Hoffman goes far beyond this, and makes no secret of his admiration for Luther, Calvin and that vile hypocrite Oliver Cromwell - a man who appears to have had no religious convictions of any kind apart from a genocidal hatred of Catholics - as David Hume (an admirer of Cromwell let it be said) noted.

    However one does not have to take into account Mr Hoffman's views on history in order to perceive his strong animus toward the Catholic Church. Like many other professed enemies of the corporate media, he consistently and uncritically recycles MSM narratives about the clerical child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church - never  entertaining the possibility that these narratives form part of a coordinated hate campaign against the Church.

    Sure, he'll sometimes complain that the media ignore clerical abuse among "Judaics", but he studiously ignores the equally obvious truth that the media also cover up clerical abuse in all of the Protestant denominations - in order to portray clerical sɛҳuąƖ crime as a uniquely Catholic vice. Many Protestants, to their great credit, have acknowledged the way their denominations have been given a free pass on this issue.

    Where are the blockbuster Hollywood films about sɛҳuąƖ abuse in British Protestant private schools - something C.S. Lewis, A.N. Wilson, and many other writers have recalled as being institutionalized? By contrast Hollywood produces an anti-Catholic blockbuster on average every two or three years.

    By the same token, has Mr Hoffman ever addressed the British media's coordinated campaign of vile character assassination against those who have accused British establishment bigwigs such as Ted Heath and Leon Brittan of sɛҳuąƖ abuse? The media have also gone so far as to attack the British police for daring to investigate these allegations - allegations the police insist are credible. Contrast that with the same Masonic media's unquestioning acceptance of any and all allegations against Catholic priests and religious - no matter how far back in time they go.  

    But let's cut to the chase: if Hoffman isn't anti-Catholic, what exactly is he? In spite of repeated requests, he refuses to state what his own current religious position is. He appears to believe that the post-Renaissance Catholic Church is a corrupt counterfeit of the "true" Medieval Church, but so far as I know, he has never made clear what religious authority, if any, he deems worthy of obedience in the modern world. To further complicate matters, he has also dismissed Sedevacantism - the belief that the seat of Peter is currently vacant. So if he believes the modern popes are real popes, but are nonetheless heads of a corrupt body, that sounds like anti-Catholicism to me.

    In truth the anti-Catholicism of much of Hoffman's recent output is so glaringly obvious I'm surprised anyone can seriously question it. It isn't a case of him merely lumping in Catholicism in with the general corruption of modern Christianity: on the contrary, like the corporate media he claims to despise, he directs a vastly disproportionate amount of his fire at the sins, real and imaginary, of the Church.

    To be honest Hoffman baffles me a bit when it comes to the Church - a couple of years ago he wrote quite a philo-Catholic piece about Bing Crosby and Irving Berlin, but yet I think I'm being quite fair in describing much of his recent output as anti-Catholic. I also recall that a few years ago when you published the article by Tony Blizzard about the evils of the Reformation he wrote the piece above attempting to refute Blizzard's argument. I suspect the real problem is that he is romantically attached to the idea of the heroic rebel - exemplified by the likes of Luther, Cromwell and the New England Puritans. In Luther's case his latter denunciation of the Jєωs is a huge bonus where Hoffman is concerned. I'm not sure he knows himself what his true position is - he strikes me as in some respects  quite an emotional character.  I also read somewhere that he is quite proud of being related to the German Anabaptist of the same name.  

    Michael Hoffman replies:

    On no evidence, "Jude Duffy" upholds the notion that usury began with the Protestants and not the Romanists, while ignoring the extensive arguments and docuмentation in my books Usury in Christendom and The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome (chapter 16, "The Breeders of Money Gain Dominion").

    Instead of responding to the plethora of facts marshaled in those books we are greeted with lies about this writer supposedly "admiring" Oliver Cromwell.  Where does my critic offer any docuмentation for the preceding libel?

    My histories are a defense of the true Catholic Church against the modernism, paganism, institutionalized sodomy, papalolatry and usury of the Renaissance and post-Renaissance Church of Rome. The following is Freudian drivel:

    "I suspect the real problem is that he is romantically attached to the idea of the heroic rebel - exemplified by the likes of Luther, Cromwell and the New England Puritans."

    He "suspects"?

    These reckless statements are calculated to harm my reputation as a historian. On what basis do these absurd personal attacks qualify for publication? I welcome scholarly contradictions and challenges to my thesis; this is not one of them.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #22 on: July 16, 2019, 12:08:55 AM »
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  • Thanks Cassini, great info.


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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #23 on: July 16, 2019, 05:25:16 AM »
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  • Incredulous, thanks for exposing this anti-Catholic writer. I almost laughed out loud at his feeble attempt to refute Jude Duffy.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #24 on: July 16, 2019, 08:03:23 AM »
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  • The way he dismissed relics of the True Cross topping the obelisk is as if they didn't exist is interesting
    قامت مريم، ترتيل وفاء جحا و سلام جحا

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #25 on: July 17, 2019, 03:49:58 PM »
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  • Climax, you're a newbie here, and late in the game on this forum.

    Michael A. Hoffman went to the Inquisition at Cathinfo, was found guilty of blasphemy and heresy and burned at the stake :heretic:

    The discovery started around 2013 with PereJoseph and then BTNYC chimed in with analysis of Hoffman's writings.

    Hoffman was angry about what they found and came on this forum threatening to sue for slander.  Nothing ever happened.

    Please note, once a Marrano loses credibility as a Catholic, he has to change his theology to remain relevant.  
    In this case, Hoffmans now a protestant.  

    Some samplings on him are below, for your reading enjoyment :jester:


    So, Cathinfo put Hoffman to the inquisition and judged him and that is supposed to mean anything to me?  This is your evidence?  Impressive.  Your real problem is that Hoffman is an honest historian.  Honest historians are usually burned at the stake and Hoffman is no exception.  You don't like him because he is critical of the Catholic Church, fine.  Actually, he is no different than the majority on this blog if you think about it. Hoffman just takes his investigation back further than Vatican II.  


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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #26 on: July 18, 2019, 05:34:11 AM »
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  • You lack discernment Climax and are "following the Jєω" to your own perdition :facepalm:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #27 on: July 18, 2019, 08:21:59 AM »
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  • Obelisks come from the ancient Ba'al worship.
    The mystery religions worship thru sodomy, drunkeness, (i.e. Bacchanalia) and ritual child sacrifice.

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    Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #28 on: July 18, 2019, 11:41:59 AM »
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  • You lack discernment Climax and are "following the Jєω" to your own perdition :facepalm:
    Really.  Define "following the Jєω" and explain how my defense of Hoffman will end in my perdition?  

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    Baal's "shaft"?/Re: Egyptian Obelisk’s???
    « Reply #29 on: July 18, 2019, 06:01:03 PM »
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  • [2] It is claimed the word obelisk literally means ‘Baal’s shaft’ [....]
    --- Dr Cathy Burns: Masonic and Occult Symbols, p.341.

    Ummm, wink, wink--nudge, nudge?  I'm linguistically unconvinced.

    Altho' "Baal" «ב-ע-ל» (B-ʕ-L) [#] is a conventional translation of the name of a Phoenician deity (esp. in Tyre), that's arguably glorified from its more mundane meanings "lord",  "master",  "owner",  "creditor",  and even "husband".

    English "obelisk" arrived ultimately from Greek "obeliskos": A diminutive of "obelos", the latter meaning a "pointed pillar".

    There seems to be no match when working back in Biblical Hebrew [*] from the meaning claimed by Burns.  E.g., «י-ח-ם» (Y-Ch-M) means not only "to be hot",  but also "to conceive",  and to perform the required generative act.  But I haven't yet found an entry for the anatomical noun.

    And the expected Semitic prefix «ל» (L), which signifies possession, as in the Latin genitive case (and reportedly the Greek dative case), thus expecting the construction "L'Baal", but it's conspicuously absent.

    I suppose I should defer judgment until I can access the docuмent cited.  So thanks to ‘cassini’ for the exact citation.  Should I expect to find the cited docuмent at my local metropolitan library?  Docuмents physically printed on paper,in a bricks-&-mortar library": How quaint!

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    Note *: Gen.30:41 & 31:10, as the written record of Hebrew had survived to the time of the scholar Gesenius (fl. 1810--1842).  Which left roughly 14 centuries for important writings in & about Hebrew to have disappeared since St. Jerome had access to the docuмents that he used for writing the Biblia Vulgata.

    Note #: The symbol ‘ʕ’ is from linguistics, and herein indicates the guttural consonant ‘ain’,  which is harsher (or stronger) than the mere glottal stop that can be heard in Cockney English.  It's been compared to the sound produced by a victim being strangled, and can be audibly unpleasant to native speakers of English when they're confronted with the sounds of native Arabic.