Author Topic: EF4 Tornado in OK (Read 1840 times)

Zeitun · « **on:** May 20, 2013, 07:55:41 PM »

Does anyone know if the SSPX chapel in OKC was harmed? Any news of SSPX parishoners in peril?

Offering prayers......

Charlemagne · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2013, 08:05:45 PM »

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2013, 08:06:35 PM »

I have Relatives in Oklahoma.

Pray.

Zeitun · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2013, 11:47:25 PM »

Can natural disasters be sent by God as a chatisement? I'm wondering if our nation is being punished for our sins against marriage.

Stubborn · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2013, 04:28:15 AM »

Quote from: Zeitun

Can natural disasters be sent by God as a chatisement? I'm wondering if our nation is being punished for our sins against marriage.

Yes, of course.
Remember Noah and the flood.

The term "natural disaster" implies God is not involved, which is of course not true.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2013, 06:20:42 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: Zeitun
Can natural disasters be sent by God as a [chastisement]? I'm wondering if our nation is being punished for our sins against marriage.

Yes, of course.
Remember Noah and the flood.

The term "natural disaster" implies God is not involved, which is of course not true.

The term "natural disaster" implies God is not involved, which is
of course, not true. -- Excellent point, Stubborn!

Without saying so, the term "natural disaster" (to some, at least) might
insinuate that God is not personally involved in our world (like deists), or
that God is half good and half evil (like dualists) and that our world is a
product of the "give and take" or "tension - release" of this good and
evil (like Hegelian dialectic), or that even God does not exist (like atheists).

We go around using terms that have been established for the purpose
of denying our own religion, and we use them sometimes with ignorance
of the damage we are contributing to by our use of these terms.

It's a good thing to be reminded from time to time when we use the words
that the devil has evoked in popular parlance. We ought to know better.

SJB · « **Reply #6 on:** May 21, 2013, 06:37:59 AM »

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The term "natural disaster" implies God is not involved, which is
of course, not true. -- Excellent point, Stubborn!

The Natural Law ... does that also "imply" God is not involved? You guys make trads look like idiots to anybody who might be paying any attention to what you write here.

Tiffany · « **Reply #7 on:** May 21, 2013, 07:01:24 AM »

It's important to be aware of our language but I thought it was to differentiate between where it's due to a human's actions not a liberal way of denying God. Acts of God is still used in the insurance world, no human caused it and they could not have prevented it.

SJB · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2013, 07:04:56 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

It's important to be aware of our language but I thought it was to differentiate between where it's due to a human's actions not a liberal way of denying God. Acts of God is still used in the insurance world, no human caused it and they could not have prevented it.

Yes, the reference to a "natural disaster" is simply saying it was an occurance in nature. There is no implicit denial of anything here. Trads look like fools when they say these things.

Tiffany · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2013, 07:20:52 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Tiffany
It's important to be aware of our language but I thought it was to differentiate between where it's due to a human's actions not a liberal way of denying God. Acts of God is still used in the insurance world, no human caused it and they could not have prevented it.

Yes, the reference to a "natural disaster" is simply saying it was an occurance in nature. There is no implicit denial of anything here. Trads look like fools when they say these things.

I think fools is harsh and they are right to be on guard with so much liberal and conciliar newspeak.

ancien regime · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2013, 07:55:37 AM »

I live in the Oklahoma City area.

The SSPX Chapel and Queen of Angels Chapel were both well out of the way of the tornadoes. The SSPX chapel is in Bethany, which is on the west side of OKC and Queen of Angels in is the town of The Village, which is in the northwest side of the OKC area.

Oklahoma City is second only to Los Angeles in area size. The area that was hit by the EF4 tornado is Moore, OK, which is in the south-southeast part of the metro area. This is the third time since 1999 that Moore has been devastated by a large tornado. As of 7:00 AM CDT, the fatalities are at 51 people. The damage and casualties are second only to the Joplin tornado, so far. They are still digging people out of the rubble.

The tornado formed up really, really fast. People only had about 15 minutes warning to get below ground. This tornado has been described as a "grinder," as it literally scraped houses off the earth, leaving only the concrete pads and driveways. One elementary school took a direct hit and they are still digging through the remains to find survivors and victims.

Being in the "Bible Belt," even the Highway Patrol spokeswoman openly mentions asking for God's help. And, people being as they are here, there are so many first-responders that have shown up that the local officials are overwhelmed with volunteers. They have organized shifts of emergency people to handle the work.

What is needed at this point is monetary donations to pay for water and supplies and to take care of people in the short term. The colleges and universities here (particularly the University of Oklahoma) have opened their student housing to displaced people, since the semester ended a week or so ago.

Pray for us. Kyrie elesion.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #11 on:** May 21, 2013, 09:44:07 AM »

I grew up in Tornado Alley (southern Indiana). I now live in the Southwest, and people sometimes ask me why, with so many tornadoes, my family never moved from the area. It's simple, really: It was our home. I also had family in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, and they had the same outlook. The possibility of facing tornadoes while living in the Alley is just part of life. My cousin's house was destroyed in the March 2013 tornado in Henryville, Indiana. Was their first thought to move? Nope; they rebuilt. ancien is exactly right - people spring into action quickly when these things happen. I'm praying for all who have been affected.

SJB · « **Reply #12 on:** May 21, 2013, 09:47:50 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Tiffany
It's important to be aware of our language but I thought it was to differentiate between where it's due to a human's actions not a liberal way of denying God. Acts of God is still used in the insurance world, no human caused it and they could not have prevented it.

Yes, the reference to a "natural disaster" is simply saying it was an occurance in nature. There is no implicit denial of anything here. Trads look like fools when they say these things.

I think fools is harsh and they are right to be on guard with so much liberal and conciliar newspeak.

I'm not calling them fools, but simply saying how others see them.

Zeitun · « **Reply #13 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:20:52 AM »

So....back to my question........anyone think God sent this tornado because of our national sins?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #14 on:** May 21, 2013, 11:12:03 AM »

Quote from: Zeitun

Can natural disasters be sent by God as a chatisement? I'm wondering if our nation is being punished for our sins against marriage.

Yes, they can be.