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Offline ProtectorofOrder

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Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
« on: October 12, 2014, 11:20:34 PM »
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  • A new theory suggests that Ebola may have been the same virus or same type of virus but in a stronger form as the one that caused the bubonic plague that wiped out 2/3rds of Europe and caused the dismantling of the Feudal system.

    If so what do you think was the reason behind the bubonic plague/black death along time ago? Why might it be back in a stronger variant?:

    Full story: Controversial new research suggests that contrary to the history books, the "Black Death" that devastated medieval Europe was not the bubonic plague, but rather an Ebola-like virus.
     
    History books have long taught the Black Death, which wiped out a quarter of Europe's population in the Middle Ages, was caused by bubonic plague, spread by infected fleas that lived on black rats. But new research in England suggests the killer was actually an Ebola-like virus transmitted directly from person to person.
     
    The Black Death killed some 25 million Europeans in a devastating outbreak between 1347 and 1352, and then reappeared periodically for more than 300 years. Scholars had thought flea-infested rats living on ships brought the disease from China to Italy and then the rest of the continent.
     
    But researchers Christopher Duncan and Susan Scott of the University of Liverpool say that the flea-borne bubonic plague could not have torn across Europe the way the Black Death did.
     
    "If you look at the way it spreads, it was spreading at a rate of around 30 miles in two to three days," says Duncan. "Bubonic plague moves at a pace of around 100 yards a year."
     
    Unlike the bubonic plague, a bacterial disease which still exists in parts of Asia, India and North America, viral diseases are passed on from person to person, usually by breath or touch.
     
    Ebola-Like Symptoms Cited

    In their new book Biology of Plagues: Evidence from Historical Populations, Duncan and Scott compare the signs and symptoms of the Black Death with modern-day viruses such as the Spanish flu, the West Nile virus and, most closely, Ebola.
     
    Medieval descriptions of the Black Death sound like the hemorrhagic fever caused by an Ebola-like virus, the authors say. Such fever strikes fast and causes blood vessels to burst underneath the skin, bringing out welts, similar to what British medical texts from the Middle Ages describe as "God's tokens."
     
    The liquidization of internal organs that causes excruciating pain in Ebola victims matches the descriptions of historical autopsies on plague victims, which similarly describe internal organs being dissolved along with the appearance of a black liquid, according to the authors.
     
    Duncan and Scott also note that efforts to quarantine the Black Death were successful. In the wake of the first outbreak, Europeans learned that quarantining infected families for 40 days was effective in stopping the spread. Such a measure would not have worked if the disease were transmitted by rats, the authors suggest, because rats do not observe quarantines.
     
    Also, the 40-day period was enough time to ensure the disease finished its incubation period. One of the difficulties in controlling the Ebola virus is that its symptoms start to appear only about five to 22 days after exposure. Therefore people who appear perfectly healthy could be carrying the lethal disease.
     
    Skeptics Say Theorists Should Work Plague by Plague

    Ann Carmichael, a historian who is an expert on the Black Plague, welcomes the work produced by Duncan and Scott, but remains skeptical.
     
    "It is problematic to assimilate evidence over four centuries and draw conclusive theories," says Carmichael. "We must look at it on a plague-by-plague basis."


    Story link: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117310


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    Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
    « Reply #1 on: October 13, 2014, 12:00:58 AM »
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  • I'm not sure how that could be, considering that the Bubonic Plague is still around today, and it is a totally different disease from Ebola.

    Ebola is caused by a virus. Bubonic Plague is caused by bacteria.


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    Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
    « Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 06:50:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    I'm not sure how that could be, considering that the Bubonic Plague is still around today, and it is a totally different disease from Ebola.

    Ebola is caused by a virus. Bubonic Plague is caused by bacteria.


    Well, that the Black Death was caused by bubonic plague is a long after-the-fact diagnosis. It isn't as though medieval physicians discovered the bacteria, the connection was made much later based on vague accounts of the symptoms.  I guess what they're claiming is that the diagnosis was wrong to begin with.

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    Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
    « Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 07:05:03 AM »
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  • All I know is that we have a President hell bent on making sure Americans get infected! His latest comment about having more of an obligation to keep Africans safe instead of Americans is all the proof I need to know this assclown is an illegal alien!


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    « Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 07:07:47 AM »
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  • Here is the full context of Obama's latest...

    “But let’s keep in mind that as we speak, there are children on the streets dying of this disease, thousands of them. And so obviously my first job is to make sure that we’re taking care of the American people, but we have a larger role than that. We also have an obligation to make sure that those (African) children and their families are safe as well because ultimately the best thing we can do for our public health is also to extend the kind of empathy, compassion and effort so that folks in those countries as well can be rid of this disease.” – Barack Obama



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    « Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 11:48:28 AM »
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  • Ebola is 100% a hoax to get people to voluntarily take an experimental zombie vaccine.  This link shows the crisis actors in africa and the media tactics.

    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
    « Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 12:57:12 PM »
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  • I keep coming back to that theory +PG+.  The transmission element is just not logical and doesn't jive with the facts we're told and what is easily researched about ebola.
    The few people that we're told have this disease in the US came into close association with a lot of others. Think about how many people they encountered.  Duncan was on an airplane, and then when he got to the US was expelling lots of bodily fluids, like vomit on the sidewalk that people walked through...   Yet no one else has it from these circuмstances?   Then Duncan died, and one of the nurses who wore PPE now has ebola from him, yet none of his family and friends have it?  They were slobbering all over each other in that apartment when he was very ill before hospitalization, people coming and going, despite quarantine.
    Somethings just not right.  I read the PPE protocol for hemorrhagic fever and being in close contact like that with an ebola patient should = a lot more infected people.  If this is real, there should be a bit of an explosion in diagnosed cases I'm sorry to say.  

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    « Reply #7 on: October 13, 2014, 01:44:30 PM »
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  • Perevangela - I thought it safe for a while to take the middle ground in between the extremes they were presenting.  But, I now think it is a complete hoax/movie.  The video I posted shows african acting and a cash payoff.  A little boy walks over to the movie shoot naked and drops down on the ground to play dead for the cameras.  It is a big media lie.  Eat healthy, keep your peace, and say prayers to squash this initiative.  

    Also, I don't want to give people the idea that I believe in zombies.  I don't.  The zombie reports of cannibalism are no different than what happened to say the north american martyrs.  But, the vaccine will be a gmo,embryonic stem cell research, micro chip rite of passage that basically makes you a spiritual zombie.  The result justifies the use of the word.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
    « Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 01:52:41 PM »
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  • Ebola is classified as a level 4 (out of 4 - the worst) biohazard.
    from the American Biological Safety Association (bolding theirs)

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    BIOSAFETY LEVEL 4

    practices and procedures are required for work with dangerous and exotic agents which pose a high individual risk of life-threatening disease. This is the highest level of containment (maximum containment) and requires a containment facility that is generally a separate building or completely isolated zone with complex, specialized ventilation requirements and waste management
    systems to prevent release of viable agents to the environment. Specialized training of all laboratory workers is required and strict adherence to appropriate specialized practices and procedures is mandated.
    Precautions for use of these agents include BSL-1, BSL-2 and BSL-3 practices and procedures plus specialized BSL-4 procedures listed in the CDC Guidelines (includes entrance only through a clothing change room, removal of street clothes and donning of complete laboratory clothing along with showering upon leaving the containment area, complete isolation from agents used, as well as other specialized practices). Personnel must be specially trained and shown to be proficient in the use of the agents at this containment level


    I don't think the above procedures were implemented on the airplane or at his apartment, or anywhere else Duncan visited, and those who were living with and visiting him for weeks.  I even doubt some of the above were implemented at the hospital where he was treated.  
    My point is that there should be an exponential increase in contamination by now or very soon.  Otherwise, question the premise. Stay objective.

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    Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
    « Reply #9 on: October 13, 2014, 01:57:53 PM »
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  • +PG+ that's a damning youtube video.  
    I too have been weighing all the arguments, not sure where the truth lies, as usual.   That video, and simple logic, suggests we should be very very skeptical of the official story, at best.

    Also, I posted this in a another thread, to your point about a vaccine (and others denial of the same):
    Canadian-made Ebola vaccine to start clinical trials in humans
    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/13/canadianmade_ebola_vaccine_to_start_clinical_trials_in_humans.html

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    Ebola and Bubonic Plague?
    « Reply #10 on: October 13, 2014, 02:17:06 PM »
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  • Thomas Eric Duncan died on October 8.  Here's the timeline of his movements, according to the Daily Mail:
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    Sept 19: Duncan flies out of Monrovia, Liberia
    Sept 20: Lands in Dallas, Texas, after changing
    Sept 24: Duncan starts experiencing symptoms
    Sept 25: Goes to Texas Health Presbyterian hospital in Dallas - but is sent home
    Sept 25-27: Symptoms worsen at home
    Sept 28: Duncan taken to hospital after vomiting. CDC warned of possible Ebola case
    Sept 29: Beset by projectile vomiting and diarrhea, Duncan asks to be put in a diaper
    Sept 30: CDC confirms Ebola diagnosis
    Oct 1: Sepsis sets in - but Duncan tries to stay upbeat, asking to watch a movie. He asks to eat solid food, but changes his mind.
    Oct 2: He asks for food, eats a few saltine crackers and a mouthful of Sprite. But blood is appears in his urine; he is given stronger drugs
    Oct 3: Doctors request experimental drug brincidofovir as Duncan keeps worsening
    Oct 4: Duncan has multiple organ failure. New drug arrives and he is given it
    Oct 6: Duncan's family, including his mother, come to visit him. His face is described as 'like a mask', some say he looks dead already
    Oct 7: Family continue to watch Duncan via close-circuit cameras
    Oct 8: Early in the morning Duncan's heartrate slows to less than 50 beats per minute.
    At 7:51am he is pronounced dead

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2791171/ebola-victim-thomas-eric-duncan-s-organs-slowly-failed-begged-diaper-lay-dying.html

    People can have Ebola but not show symptoms for up to three weeks.  The point is that Duncan could have infected people but they may not yet be showing signs of the disease. From Sept 24 until Sept 28, and even before then, Duncan was highly infectious.  He may have infected people who have not yet fallen ill.

    Also, exponential rates of increase can be very slow to begin with.  The graph is shaped like a hockey stick, almost flat for a while and then it shoots up. The MSM is full of reports that Ebola is growing exponentially in Liberia, that the number of cases is doubling every three weeks.  If this is true, there should be around 1 million cases by January, or even Christmas.

    We'll know soon enough whether or not this is contained, or even if it is real.





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    « Reply #11 on: October 13, 2014, 02:19:22 PM »
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  • That was an interesting video PG.


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    « Reply #12 on: October 13, 2014, 04:34:27 PM »
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  • Duncan may very well have contracted Ebola from another unknown infected person, either at the airport or on the flight to the U.S. The timeline of symptoms onset for Duncan supports this theory, but this theory is ignored by the Mockingbird media and CDC.  
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    « Reply #13 on: October 13, 2014, 04:37:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: + PG +
    Ebola is 100% a hoax to get people to voluntarily take an experimental zombie vaccine.  This link shows the crisis actors in africa and the media tactics.



    Come colder temperatures in fall and, especially, winter, you will see the reality of Ebola. This is an engineered pandemic in the making, which will be used as blame for crashing the economy. Mark my words.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #14 on: October 13, 2014, 07:39:33 PM »
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