Author Topic: EarthSun Reprise (Read 4824 times)

roscoe · « **on:** August 31, 2010, 08:42:55 PM »

In the past very few members of this Forum have been willing to declare their op on whether Earth rev around Sun or Sun rev around Eatrh.

I believe Earth rev around the Sun.

I am particularily interested in the declarations of Classicom, RC, Belloc, Myrna, Jamie and anyone else who does not recognise Gregory XVII.

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2010, 08:55:21 PM »

In the past few years I have rejected pretty much everything else I ever learned in school. I would like to believe that the sun revolves around the earth, but currently I am an agnostic on that point.

roscoe · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2010, 09:07:32 PM »

Are U aware that the computations of the Gregorian Calendar of the Catholic Church are based in part on the reckonings of the Pruthenic Tables of Copernicus? IOW the idea that E rev around S is incorporated into the Calendar that Pope Gregory approved.

One should also note that the heretics, Luther Calvin, Zwingli, Bacon and James( among others) all believed S to rev around Eand they of course rejected the Roman Calendar.

Matto · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2010, 09:23:11 PM »

I was aware of that, about the Gregorian Calendar. I was not aware that all of those heretics were geocentrists. I did hear once that the arch-heretic Milton believed that when the world was created the sun revolved around the earth, but when Adam sinned, the world was thrown into chaos and from then on the earth started revolving around the sun.

roscoe · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2010, 09:48:27 PM »

That could be an explanation of an alleged Biblical contradiction, but it would also throw a wrench into Newton's Universal theory of Gravity.

I try and stay away from terms like geo and heliocentrism because I do not believe there is a physical center of U or that there is anything in U is fixed or stationary.

Anthem · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2010, 12:19:36 AM »

All available scientific evidence demonstrates Earth revolves around the Sun. To suggest otherwise invites ridicule. This extremely well-accepted scientific evidence ought have no bearing on any religious teaching.

Just to throw out a bone, there are many other scientific theories that are less well accepted. I know of no scientists, of any branch of scientific inquiry, who doubt that Earth revolves around the Sun. The same cannot be said about many other things, including particle physics, statistical mechanics, evolution, uniqueness of Earth-only life, causation of (autoimmune) disease, etc.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2010, 12:23:52 AM »

What's interesting is that NASA used (uses?) Copernican calculations for some if its operations (satellites, etc.), which are based on a Geocentric view of the universe.

After all, the bodies are all moving in their courses which can be predicted. From a point in outer space, it's hard to tell who's orbiting who.

But it seems to me that the force of gravity, exerted by the sun for example, would grab the earth and make it "orbit" it rather than vice-versa.

But I admit my ignorance about this field. When I post something, I want it to mean something :) I don't think I have something to say about every topic, as if I were knowledgeable about everything there is. Sad to say, that is not the case.

Matthew

wallflower · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2010, 07:58:29 AM »

I don't know anything about this either. I find it interesting and I'd believe either way. It's not a subject that would upset me as I'm not sure it would impact my Faith a whole lot.

There is a geocentric conference though for anyone interested, sometime in Nov. It's a pdf in my email so I don't know if I can attach that here. I know a priest who is very interested in the topic and he sent this invitation out to everyone. I do not have a scientific mind at all but I'd be curious to hear the "other" side.

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MyrnaM · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2010, 08:17:35 AM »

I am a believer that the earth rev around the sun. What I find most interesting is what I heard on the news the other day of speculation about our universe being contained within a black hole. I understand there was an article on this in the American Journal of Physics, i.e.

The observable universe inside a black hole W.M. Stuckey, Am. J. Phys. 62(9) Sep 1994, pp 788-795

Anthem · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2010, 09:04:52 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

What's interesting is that NASA used (uses?) Copernican calculations for some if its operations (satellites, etc.), which are based on a Geocentric view of the universe.

On the contrary, the calculations of Copernicus were based on a heliocentric model. Galileo's work was based upon Copernicus' prior work.

Matto · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2010, 09:29:35 AM »

Quote from: Anthem

All available scientific evidence demonstrates Earth revolves around the Sun.

You are mistaken here. I have been to a number of geo-centrist websites that have lots of scientific evidence in support of their claim that the earth does not revolve around the sun.

Quote

To suggest otherwise invites ridicule.

This is true, but irrelevant, because so does suggesting that the Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us, or that Eve was formed from Adam's rib, or that there was a great flood, of that Lot's wife was transformed into a pillar of salt, etc.

Anthem · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2010, 09:47:18 AM »

I am not mistaken, but I'm not going to argue it with you. When I was referring to ridicule, I was only speaking of ridicule from a scientific standpoint, not a religious one. If one is not a scientist, then being told he knows nothing of science is not much of an insult, if you ask me. If one is a scientist, trying to twist scientific evidence to support geocentrism is inviting ridicule.

The main problem of geocentrism in a religious sense is that defending it may call into question legitimate, pertinent theological commentary of the Catholic apolgogists who actually believe in geocentrism. This is based on the notion that if one cannot even understand the untenability of geocentrism, how could he be listened to in other matters requiring right use of reason.

Matto · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2010, 09:56:48 AM »

I would say that if one cannot even understand the untenability of atheism, how could he be listened to in other matters requiring right use of reason?

Remember I am an agnostic about this issue, but some people seem to put science above faith and are more sure about the things that scientists say than about the things that God says.

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2010, 12:27:59 PM »

There is no such thing as helio or geo- centrism as neither the Sun or Earth is fixed or in the center of the Universe.

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2010, 12:28:47 PM »

Quote from: Anthem

Quote from: Matthew
What's interesting is that NASA used (uses?) Copernican calculations for some if its operations (satellites, etc.), which are based on a Geocentric view of the universe.

On the contrary, the calculations of Copernicus were based on a heliocentric model. Galileo's work was based upon Copernicus' prior work.

Anthem--could U be a little more specific pls. :confused1: