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  • Waiting for The Principle but they just won't release the darn thing on DVD?

    Well, this docuмentary is just as good as far as I can tell. It does the same job, and probably uses much of the same evidence. Forget those guys who are stubbornly chasing Mel Gibson's movie theater success with The Passion. I'm fed up with waiting anyhow.

    I've watched a bunch of "Galileo Was Wrong" already and it's fascinating and awesome. Very compelling.

    There is a free sample (chapter 1) on the website!

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #1 on: July 03, 2015, 11:48:30 AM »
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  • Yeah I don't believe the earth moves either or in heliocentrism.

    All of modern astronomy seems to have been made to support evolution and the idea that we're just one insignificant speck of dust nowhere special; ufo's, other civilizations etc.  



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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #2 on: July 03, 2015, 05:54:57 PM »
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  •  They probably won't release it on DVD until they are done showing it in theaters. It looks like they are doing small screening around major cities in the US. They have already did screening in Chicago, Albuquerque, and LA.  Their website says they will be having screenings in Dallas, Atlanta, Cincinnati and Indianapolis next.

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #3 on: July 04, 2015, 11:15:09 AM »
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  • You are absolutely right Matthew.  The Earth's alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!  

    I got the DVD as soon as it came out and am extremely well satisfied with it.

    What follows is a superb review of the docuмentary which I am in complete agreement with

    Many deny and dethrone the Creator by insisting there is no creation, no creation of man and no creation of the universe, only accidents. There are a dozen lines of evidence against macro-evolution, the never-substantiated theory that a new species can evolve from an older species, that man evolved eventually from a broth of energized chemicals, but the 2 DVD set Galileo Was Wrong (GWW) does not address the evidence against macro-evolution. Instead GWW addresses the evidence against the cosmological theories of a mechanistic and uncreated universe. As evolution had its heretic priest Teilhard de Chardin, cosmology’s Fr. Georges Lemaitre makes his own anti-Biblical cameo in GWW.

    In a little over 4 hours, GWW presents and deflates models of the universe theorized by men struggling to deny creation and, by inference, to deny our Creator. GWW first lays the foundation, the early models of Aristotle, Ptolemy, Copernicus, Galileo, and Brahe. As the accuмulation of ever more refined data weakened the heliocentric and Big Bang models, an assortment of Band-Aids and evidence-free fudge factors were quickly offered, only to be subsequently debunked. In ironic justice, the confounding data were acquired in experiments designed to rescue the theories. After the 19th century Michelson-Morley experiment disproved movement of the earth through the heavens, Einstein rode to attempt rescue in the 20th century. He first offered his Special Theory of Relativity, only to subsequently contradict himself about the presence of “the ether” in space and the limited speed of light with his General Theory of Relativity. Both theories were confounded by Sagnac in 1913 and Michelson-Gale-Pearson in 1925. Anti-creationist partisans have kept the lid on every scientific embarrassment of cosmology (and macro-evolution).

    GWW illustrates complexities and contradictions with dynamic graphics and lucid narration. GWW thoroughly docuмents the grudging admissions by Einstein, Lorentz, Eddington, Pauli, Michelson, Hawking, and other cosmologists of much-vaunted stature. Unsurprisingly, those reluctant confessions have received not even a gloss by our anti-Christ culture, institutions, and media. Happily GWW quotes respected physicists like Ashok K. Singal who have openly admitted that “the Copernican Principle of Cosmology” is in deep trouble.

    Level by level GWW builds understanding of successive experiments that have falsified heliocentrism and the Big Bang. We are entertained to follow how Einstein glossed over the contradictions in his theories while still basking in the glow of a fawning media that concealed both his failures and his plagiarism. From Einstein’s never-defined “lambda” fudge factor to the never-observed “dark matter” and “dark energy” fudge factors, GWW amuses us with the ever more convoluted efforts to rescue the anti-Creationist theories.

    NASA and the European Space Agency have sent a series of probes intended to “prove” the homogeneity and isotropy of a supposed Big Bang universe. Such proof would, by inference, demonstrate the insignificance of planet earth and mankind. The outcome? Ever more refined data from higher resolution deep space probes, COBE in 1990, WMAP in 2001, and Planck in 2013, have demonstrated the opposite, the inhomogeneity and anisotropy of the universe with our earthly home at it’s geometric center. The data showed three axes of symmetry intersecting our earth at the center of the universe: (1) the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR) dipole aligned with the earth’s equator, (2) the CMBR quadrupole aligned with the earth’s ecliptic plane, and (3) concentric galaxy, quasar, and x-ray burst alignment with the earth’s equator and North Celestial Pole.

    So much for the late Carl Sagan’s fantasy that, “[W]e live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people.” Quite the contrary, GWW makes the irrefutable case consistent with scientific observation and Scripture that the earth is special and we too are special in our privileged place in the universe. Galileo was wrong and the Church was—and still is—right. You, God, we praise!

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #4 on: July 04, 2015, 08:24:25 PM »
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  • Sorry to disagree, but I think that the Earth's motion around the Sun and the Sun's motion around the Galactic Center is an indisputable fact.

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap010110.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070514.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070519.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140130.html

    And, especially:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120411.html

    As traditional Catholics, we're just making ourselves look bad.


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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #5 on: July 04, 2015, 08:56:56 PM »
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  • Here is another incredibly good review of this truly stunning docuмentary.  If people would only take the time to view this docuмentary they would be in a much greater position to really objectively judge whether or not they should always take whatever NASA and the rest of the scientific establishment tells them is the undisputed truth or whether they should not.

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    Galileo Was Wrong, A Scientific Docuмentary On Geocentrism produced by CAI Publishing INC., is a science docuмentary that is different from the usual science that we are supposed to believe in. It is an astonishingly good science docuмentary film for many different reasons. This film is so good and has such a high positive educational value that it ought to be shown in every advanced high school physics class, as well as physics for liberal arts, introductory college physics, and astronomy or cosmology classes. Every college in America should provide this film to its students for its amazing educational value. This film also should be shown on PBS and the BBC as an educational film, since it is far superior to the NOVA and Discovery science docuмentary films that appear on those networks. This is the best educational film that I have ever seen that covers the topics of modern physics and cosmology. It is the latest most up to date docuмentary that discusses the current, and as we discover in the film, the most important science discoveries of our lifetime.

    The film is the creation of Robert Sungenis, who wrote and produced this astounding film. He and his small team of really talented people have produced an amazingly professional film on a shoestring budget. Robert in collaboration with Keith Jones produced this film. Robert’s son Austin Sungenis wrote the original music score. Keith with Robert’s help is responsible for the graphics and the animations. These are an important part of the film and give it a lot of its credibility. That is because the animated graphics help make the arguments understandable to the viewer. That is certainly the most important quality of this film. That is its ability to make a lot of difficult scientific subjects understandable.

    The film has a theme and it is that theme that holds the film together and gives it coherence. The theme is to present a modern theory of geocentrism. This is a philosophy, informed by theology, that holds that the earth is the center of the universe and that the sun, planets, stars of our galaxy, galaxies, and quasars revolve around a stationary immobile earth. The resulting scientific cosmological model is supposed to have been discredited by the discovery by Galileo of the four Galilean moons of Jupiter, that revolve around that planet. Hence follows the name of the film, Galileo Was Wrong, but that title is misleading, in that the film is not about Galileo or his proof that the earth moved through space in its annual revolution around the sun. The film, contrary to the accepted scientific belief of our day, marshals detailed convincingly valid evidence for a massive 4.5 hour docuмentary full of compelling scientific evidence that demonstrates that the earth is stationary in space at the center of the universe. This is a pretty astounding claim. It is tempting to dismiss this idea as not worthy of being discussed or investigated. However, the evidence presented is based upon sound accurate science facts. The film needs to be viewed, and its arguments for geocentrism digested, then carefully analyzed, by anyone who is interested in real factual science, and not just the blind acceptance of the established beliefs currently being taught in schools.

    This review gives the film a score on a 1 to 10 scale in the following subject areas. Educational Value, Quality of scientific facts, Science Quality or Scientific Merit, Historical Accuracy, Technical Proficiency or the quality of the production its graphics sound etc., Entertainment Value or its ability to maintain the interest and understanding of the viewer, and finally its level of Speculation. The film ratings are as follows: Educational Value-10, Scientific facts-10, Scientific Merit-9, Historical Accuracy-9, Technical Proficiency-10, Entertainment Value-9, Speculation-9. The reader should take notice that these are very high ratings, and that is because this writer thinks this is an outstanding scientific docuмentary film. Here is why.

    Beginning with the easier ratings, the technical proficiency will be discussed first. The film opens with a stunning montage of astronomical scenes in the DVD scene selection. There is an amazing accompanying music score. Before I viewed the film, I was mesmerized by just watching and listening to this introductory sequence. It is longer than most DVD sequences of this type. I could have watched this for a very long time over and over again. It was that compelling as just pure sight and sound entertainment. The film uses standard docuмentary practice, by presenting graphics and voice over narration. In some places, film is used for voice over. In particular the film sequences of Einstein were very interesting to me. I would have liked to have viewed more film sequences with voice over. There was a lot of use of animated graphics to depict the geocentric and heliocentric cosmological models. These are very high quality and made the issues discussed by narrator much easier to understand. There were some amazing graphics in which original letters were displayed and passages cited in narration. Other places scientific docuмents were shown on screen while the narrator cited the underlined or highlighted passages. This gave the positive impression of authenticity to what was said. These cited passages were of themselves a very important to the history of science in that it pulled together a lot of discordant facts to present the story in its historical context. The audio was good quality and the video was perfectly viewable except in some places where there appeared to be a DVD malfunction that lasted briefly. Overall this is a very high quality DVD video production, hence the 10 rating.

    This film is rated 10 for Educational Value. There are many reason for this rating, the main one being that this film has a high factual content. It demonstrates what science is trying to accomplish, it illustrates the use of scientific method in a dramatic way, and it demonstrates the means by which science achieves its goals. It does this by the use of a thorough and complete discussion of the history, scientific experiments, the theories and interpretations used in the past and it shows how science grows by incorporating new discoveries and new interpretations. The experimental evidence is described in detail and the facts that the experiments support are fully analyzed.

    Regarding entertainment value, the film was marred by being tedious and overly long. There were a lot of long narration sequences and that tended to cause my mind to wander and daydream. This is not easily fixed in a film that covers as much ground as this film does. Fortunately the film is divided up into self contained chapters, that can be viewed in different sessions. Clearly, the value of the film is in the details and not in its ability to hold the viewers attention. I gave the film a high rating because it kept me interested despite the fact that I was familiar with most of the topics being covered. I gave the film a 9 rating for entertainment value. This is a high rating, because I was entertained for 4.5 hours.

    In the area of scientific facts the film is outstanding. This is not something that is to be dismissed. The film is carefully researched and it is meticulous in presenting the technical details. This is enhanced by the graphics that make describing a difficult to understand experiment understandable. There is a lot of material covered in the film. The film does not cut corners in giving the scientific facts. They are marshaled and presented according to relevance. The education level assumed for the audience is fairly advanced as well. So the film challenges the viewers abilities to understand complex and new scientific facts, and its does a very good job of it. Most important though is that the facts are carefully researched and accurate. They are correct fully established science, not made up or misinterpreted. The scientific facts rating of 10 is justly deserved.

    The scientific merit rating is subjective and reflects upon the reviewers personal opinions on what constitutes good science. I gave the film a rating of 9 because I was not quite satisfied that the way some of the facts were interpreted was exactly correct. To be clear about this, the difference between the facts and the interpretation is basically what is most important in science. The film does a really good job of discussing the facts from the philosophical perspective of building a cosmological model based on geocentrism. Scientific merit in my view refers to the overall quality of the conclusions based upon the presented facts of the case. There were some, but not many, places where the film was obscure or ambiguous or perhaps I should say unconvincing. The really strong point of the film that justifies recommending that it be shown to students is its high educational value and the fact that the film is actually doing science. That is it is showing exactly how a scientific argument is constructed and demonstrated using empirical facts to make the case. Overall, the film received a 9 rating because the arguments were based upon sound logical reasoning, with factual evidence in support, and were mostly convincing.

    I gave the film a 9 rating for historical accuracy, because I did not think all of the facts were correct in every instance. That means there were some places where I thought there was a slight error. These instances involve complicated technical details and were not significant with regards to the overall accuracy of the film. The film was not perfect but very close. I will discuss the places where there were some problems later.

    In the speculation rating the film received a 8 out of 10, where a high rating implies little speculation. This is mainly in the area where the film discusses a geocentric cosmological model. There is a section at the end which discusses this model. This is based upon the evidence that was presented regarding the scientific facts of the experiments and the observational investigations. Since there is little scientific discussion of geocentric cosmology in the scientific literature, this model is just the producers interpretation of the facts. I think that this has not been discussed much in the scientific community that there is an element of speculation in this model. But I think it is not a model born out of fantasy, or unbridled speculation, so I think that what is speculation in the film is based upon the facts as interpreted by the producers of the film. Hence I gave the film an 8 rating. The primary reason for giving the film a rating of 8 is that there were some speculative ideas and reasoning in the film.

    The theme of the film is that the scientific facts do not support the heliocentric model that is accepted as correct by the scientific community. There are a lot of experiments that contradict the motion of the earth revolving around the sun. The most famous is the Michelson-Morley experiment. That experiment and others are discussed in detail. This is one of the best parts of the film since the evidence is discussed in a clear, logical manner based on historical order. It is pointed out that this is the foundation of the relativity theories of Einstein. Then it is noted how the special relativity theory attempts to remove the experimental fact that the earth is not measured to be moving at the required velocity according to the heliocentric model. There is an extensive discussion in the film of the different attempts to remove the discrepancy and how the special relativity is supposed to remove the difficulty. The experimental evidence is presented in a compelling way so that the experiments are understandable. The film endeavors to explain why the special relativity theory is not successful at removing the contradiction against the heliocentric model. This part of the film is important and needs to be presented and explained in every modern physics course. In the film, it is presented as fundamental physics and explained in a manner that is clear and precise. This is why this film needs to be viewed by a wide audience.

    In the reviewer’s judgment the arguments presented for the geocentric model were convincing. That is because geocentrism was not a new or alien idea. The idea that all motion is relative is an obvious fact that is proclaimed by all the current physics textbooks. The difficulty in deciding for geocentrism versus heliocentrism is inherent in the relativity of motion argument that was used by Galileo to justify that the earth moved. The fact is that the relativity principle obviates the heliocentric model just as much as it supports that model. The argument is basically a two edged sword. The relativity argument cuts both ways. It can be used to argue for the moving earth, but then just as well against the moving earth. If all motion is relative, then the reference coordinate system is only a convention.

    The current convention is that the earth moves, but it doesn’t have to be the only way to view the earth. We can view the earth as at rest and the universe moving around it. Unfortunately, this argument is perpetuated because science has staked itself upon a “know-it-all view” of science that there is only one correct truth. That demands a concept of absolute truth and the idea that science deals in absolute truth in an absolute universe of facts. Unfortunately, this idea is contradicted by the theory of relativity that science uses to justify its claims. In the relativity view of reality, all truth is relative. Hence there is a logical contradiction in the philosophy of science.

    The next difficulty has to do with the claim regarding the center of the universe. In the geocentric system, the earth is at rest in the center of the universe. The claim advanced by Galileo was that the sun was the center and the earth moved around the sun. The seeds of the destruction of heliocentrism were contained in the movement that apparently destroyed the geocentric system. That was the claim that the universe was not finite and bounded. The earth was not at the center if the earth moved around the sun in a finite bounded universe. But if the universe is infinite and unbounded, there is no center and so neither geocentrism or heliocentrism is valid. This fact has has not been clearly understood in current science dogma. That dogma invokes the Copernican principle that there is no center of the universe and concludes incorrectly that all locations in space are equally unimportant. But since we live on the earth, that makes the earth a special place, and one result of that is that we are at the center of the universe, at least form our perspective of it.

    The conflict between science and religion can be expressed in the following way. Theology, a philosophy that deals with human existence, finds intolerable the idea that we humans are insignificant and therefore not special. On the other hand scientific materialism seeks to minimize the importance of human existence. We are just an accident and so nothing special in that view. From the viewpoint that human existence is special, the idea that the earth is not the center of the universe is absurd, particularly since all the evidence certainly points to that conclusion. What is not understood in this debate is that in a universe where the principle of relativity rules and there is no definite center, the argument of geocentrism versus heliocentrism is largely a waste of time. Mathematics tells us that we can pick any point in space to be the center, since there is no privileged mathematically defined center. That follows if the space is infinite and unbounded. What is remarkable about the film Galileo Was Wrong is that the scientific evidence is pushing science towards the geocentric viewpoint. That is something that believers in heliocentrism are resisting. The problem for science is that there are inconsistencies within the heliocentric system of thought and these need to be corrected. Adopting geocentrism is a simple way to fix the problems. The film is a step towards accomplishing this.

    To conclude, this is a science docuмentary that ought to be required viewing in schools and universities around the world. It is an educational rich film that demonstrates what science is about, how science is done and why are are doing science in our culture. These are very important reasons to make this film required viewing. This is the best educational science docuмentary film that I have ever seen and I advise anyone who has an interest in physical science , astronomy, cosmology, and theology to view this film.

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #6 on: July 05, 2015, 10:01:10 AM »
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  • Astronomers have measured our Solar System's motion through our Galaxy:

    http://www.carbonar.es/s33/Articles/Galactic-centre.pdf

    Sungenis is just wrong; question is, "Will he admit such?"  By the way, read Galileo's condemnation and abjuration sometime:

    http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1630galileo.asp

    Galileo was wrong; the Sun is not "in the center of the world and immovable from its place".  The Sun does move, as does the Earth!

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2015, 11:37:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne
    Sorry to disagree, but I think that the Earth's motion around the Sun and the Sun's motion around the Galactic Center is an indisputable fact.

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap010110.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070514.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070519.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140130.html

    And, especially:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120411.html

    As traditional Catholics, we're just making ourselves look bad.


    You look bad to me by promoting these NASA liars.

    Watch this:


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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2015, 12:17:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne
    Galileo was wrong; the Sun is not "in the center of the world and immovable from its place". The Sun does move, as does the Earth!


    Yes, Galileo was wrong about many things—far fewer things than the geocentrists are wrong about, however—but he was not wrong in saying or writing that "the sun is in the center of the world [i.e., universe] and immovable from its place."

    And why wasn't he wrong about this? Simply because he never made such a ridiculous claim, either in speech or in writing! The drafters of the Holy Office's indictment, knowing essentially nothing about the crimes they had been commanded to charge Galileo with, bungled the matter completely. A careful reader (are there any hereabouts?) will see that Galileo's abjuration makes no mention of the absurd charge.* Indeed, had he done so and abjured his culpability, he would have sworn a perjurious oath!

    This matter has been discussed and explained in depth on several interminably long CathInfo threads in years past. Since almost no one ever looks at old threads—preferring instead to freshly assert unsupported, unexamined, and ridiculous claims that have been rebutted time and time again—I see no reason to cite, yet again, dispositive evidence that will be ignored or forgotten within a day or two at the most. (This is also my positively final comment about this matter.) Suffice to say that, most unusually, the proposed abjuration was strongly opposed, in fact denounced, by three of the cardinals who voted against its passage and its formal submission to Galileo for his acceptance. This faction's leader was the nephew of Pope Urban VIII! If that fact doesn't signal the strongly political (as opposed to theological or doctrinal) nature of the proceedings to an unbiased observer, nothing will.

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    * This is the charge (quoting from the linked docuмent): "Whereas you, Galileo … were denounced in 1615, to this Holy Office, for holding as true a false doctrine taught by many, namely, that the sun is immovable in the center of the world, and that the earth moves. …"

    This is the relevant part of Galileo's abjuration (emphasis added), also from the linked docuмent: "I did write and cause to be printed a book in which I treat of the said already condemned doctrine, and bring forward arguments of much efficacy in its favour, without arriving at any solution."

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #9 on: July 05, 2015, 09:40:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
    Quote from: Jehanne
    Sorry to disagree, but I think that the Earth's motion around the Sun and the Sun's motion around the Galactic Center is an indisputable fact.

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap010110.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070514.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070519.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140130.html

    And, especially:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120411.html

    As traditional Catholics, we're just making ourselves look bad.


    You look bad to me by promoting these NASA liars.

    Watch this:


    That video isn't even "ignorance on parade."  It's just stupidity, plain and simple and I am being generous in that assertion.  Look at this video:



    There is absolutely positively no doubt that astronauts landed on the moon:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110908.html

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #10 on: July 05, 2015, 09:52:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne
    Quote from: Disputaciones
    Quote from: Jehanne
    Sorry to disagree, but I think that the Earth's motion around the Sun and the Sun's motion around the Galactic Center is an indisputable fact.

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap010110.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070514.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070519.html
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140130.html

    And, especially:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120411.html

    As traditional Catholics, we're just making ourselves look bad.


    You look bad to me by promoting these NASA liars.

    Watch this:


    That video isn't even "ignorance on parade."  It's just stupidity, plain and simple and I am being generous in that assertion.  Look at this video:



    There is absolutely positively no doubt that astronauts landed on the moon:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110908.html


    Did you not see how Buzz Aldrin implicitly admitted that it was all a hoax?

    Methinks you didn't even watch it.

    You seem to think the people at NASA are all noble scientists who have truth as their sole objective.

    If you subscribe so readily to what they say, why don't you subscribe to evolution and all the other "facts" they give us? Or perhaps you do?


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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #11 on: July 05, 2015, 10:06:59 PM »
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  • The Van Allen Belt contradictions in the video are very telling. How bout you address that Jehanne?

    Can you believe the astronaut actually said that it didn't pose any problem because they "hadn't been discovered yet"???

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #12 on: July 06, 2015, 01:13:41 AM »
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  • Sungenis is some sort of Prot/marrano.... :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #13 on: July 06, 2015, 06:46:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
    The Van Allen Belt contradictions in the video are very telling. How bout you address that Jehanne?

    Can you believe the astronaut actually said that it didn't pose any problem because they "hadn't been discovered yet"???


    This is just insanity.  For one, the Apollo astronauts left equipment on the Moon:

    https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/lro-lunar-hydrogen

    In particular, laser equipment:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

    For over a generation, astronomers have been sending laser beams (which are just pulses of light, identical to those at supermarkets everywhere) from the Earth to the Moon and recording the time intervals.

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    Earth alleged movement around the Sun has never been proven!
    « Reply #14 on: July 06, 2015, 10:30:10 AM »
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    The Van Allen Belt contradictions in the video are very telling. How bout you address that Jehanne?

    Can you believe the astronaut actually said that it didn't pose any problem because they "hadn't been discovered yet"???


    This is just insanity.


    What is insanity and why? You haven't confronted the video with a single argument so far, just with name calling.

    It's clear you havent even seen it.

    Are you supposed to be an adult?