Okay.  There's been a bit of interest about the Tempars in Jones' book Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit.  But also, the Freemasons chapter promises to be substantive.  

For now, I have the following from the "John Dee" chapter, page 350-351.


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Jones contests the claim that the Freemasons started in the 17th Century.  He quotes a historian named Walsh, and says the odor of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ hung around the Elizabethan court.  (That is, the mid-1500s.)  Sir Thomas Sackville, author of Gorbaduc, was the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge at York.  

Since Elizabeth was busy killing and persecuting Catholics during her reign, she often clamped down on any secret gatherings she heard about.  Once day, queen Elizabeth sent an armed force to break up a meeting Sackville was holding.  "Sackville, one step ahead of Elizabeth, placed Masons in the troop sent to break up the meeting.  Either Elizabeth was taken in by their ruse, or they admitted her to membership in the lodge and shared with her their secrets and arcana."

Soon, it came to be that the leading Protestants happened to be the leading Masons.  Upon Sackville's resignation in 1567, the Lodge split.  "The Magnates in England all began as Protestants and ended up as Masons when the revolutionary spirit leapt like a spark from the Protestants to the Masons at the time of the Restoration."

I have previously hinted at the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ obsession with connecting themselves to the Templars.  This was discussed on the first part of page 351.  But the end of the page is interesting, though I couldn't make the time to find it a place in my last "John Dee" posting.  This little bit discusses Jєωs and the Masons in early America.  Jones states that the early Jєωs brought Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ with them.  Jones quotes Walsh in describing how 15 Jєωιѕн families arrive to Rhode Island from Holland, and they brought the first Masonic lodge with them.  Walsh says:

Descendants of certain of these Jєωs originally from Spain and Portugal, went into the whaling industry, and founded some of the First New England families.  A little later, according to a Masonic authority, "American Masonry was introduced into China by the captains of the clipper ships, who came out from new England to trade with the Chinese." .. The official coat of arms of the English Grand Lodge, even to this day, is the one made in 1675 by Rabbi Jacob Jehuda Leon, known as Templo, who went from Holland to England that year.  "This  coat is entirely composed of Jєωιѕн symbols," explains Dr. Lucien Wolf.  "It is obviously an attempt to display heraldically the various forms of the Cherubim pictured to us in the second vision of Ezekiel--an Ox, a Man, a Lion, and an Eagle--and thus belongs to the highest and most mystical domain of Hebrew symbolism... If one looks more carefully, it becomes apparent that they have the hindquarters of goats, with hairy haunches and legs and cloven hoofs that tread upon the motto holiness to the Lord... The trail of Masonry always leads to, and crosses, that of the wandering Jєω, whether he actually founded it or not.

P.S.  The historian Jones refers to is fully named Thomas Walsh, author of the book Philip II.

Here's another opportunity for my well-read opinionated self to weigh in once again.  In my perhaps not humble enough opinion, Jones is a much better source than Michael Hoffman because Jones is far less prone to giving way to Catholic-bashing and attacking the historic Papacy and mainstream Catholic Church on Jєωιѕн subjects.  In my opinion, Mr. Hoffman is a highly entertaining Jansenist who is much too weak on the genuine grave racial problems of Jєωs, while at the same time (in classic Jansenist fashion) attacking the Catholic victims of the Jєωs when no such condemnations against our Popes and clergy are in any way justified or called for.  

In particular, although today genuine ex-Jєω converts to Catholicism are now few and far between, at various times in our past many millions of white Hebrews have sincerely converted and assimilated into our European Roman society and become loyal "Jєωιѕн Europeans" before blending into the white Gentile population.  Hoffman would have us permanently paranoid about this whereas Jones is more realistic and rational about the issue.  It is good to be paranoid about real-life Jєωs, but not to become Jansenist or Lutheran and adopt materialist views on the Jєωιѕн Question that will only soften us up for false Darwinist propaganda.

This mistaken Jansenist approach to the Jєωιѕн Question flows seamlessly into the question of the Templars and our Emperor Rudolf of Counter-Reformation fame.  To bash the Templars and the loyal employees of Emperor Rudolf (like John Dee when Dee was in the Imperial employment) is not truly helpful to our Catholic cause.  It is to dangerously play into Protestant hate-mongering against loyal Catholics whose aristocratic activities are, in sum, probably none of our business.  The religious devotions of the Templars or Emperor Rudolf are the concern of our Catholic upper-crust nobility and not a proper concern of we more simple sons and daughters of the Catholic peasantry.

For us to bash the Catholic Templars and aristocracy for their upper-class interests in things like alchemy, astrology and the Hebrew writings is dangerously presumptuous of Catholic commoners like us who are woefully ignorant of such recondite concerns of our historic Catholic leadership.  In particular, there is an Hebraic CATHOLIC mysticism and an Hebraic Jєωιѕн mysticism and never the twain between them shall meet.  To know the difference between these two radically opposed things is very largely the business of our Catholic aristocracy and their noble relations in the Catholic clergy and not of common Catholics of all or mostly peasant descent like ourselves.

Especially when it comes to the Jєωιѕн Question we Catholics are in need of humble obedience to the true historic wisdom of our Holy Mother Church about the Satanic Jєωs, our own Biblical Hebrew heritage and the immensely powerful and dangerous depths of the Tree of Knowledge of Hebraic Good and Evil.  The fruits of the latter should only be eaten by Catholics with the greatest care because anything else WILL certainly and unquestionably lead us very far into the most deadly waters known to man.

It is essential that our Catholic warriors understand the Jєωιѕн Question, but they must also always remember:  "Beware all ye who pass by here, for beyond lie Dragons..."

No Church Authority has ever overturned the actions of Pope Clement against Templars--- end of story. We are free to bash them all we want.

The above post is filled with errors. Templars were not' most likely' anything. We have a cornucopia of evidence( including 12 Infallible Bulls of condemnation) against them.  Judaix excercised zero influence over King Philip And the Pope.

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P.S.  The historian Jones refers to is fully named Thomas Walsh, author of the book Philip II.

Better known as William Thomas Walsh.

It should be noted that William Thomas Walsh, perhaps the greatest Catholic historian in the English language of the Twentieth century, held the Templars to be innocent.

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P.S.  The historian Jones refers to is fully named Thomas Walsh, author of the book Philip II.

Better known as William Thomas Walsh.

It should be noted that William Thomas Walsh, perhaps the greatest Catholic historian in the English language of the Twentieth century, held the Templars to be innocent.

Could U pls provide a source for this info.

There are 12 infallible Bulls condemning Templars which no Church Authority has ever even attempted to have repealed. V2 anti-church of course does not count.

Apparently there are some who think they tell the Church what to do. I highly doubt that WT Walsh defies the Authority of Pope Clement V( of pleasant memory) and I doubt that words of his will be found doing that.

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There are 12 infallible Bulls condemning Templars which no Church Authority has ever even attempted to have repealed. V2 anti-church of course does not count.

Apparently there are some who think they tell the Church what to do. I highly doubt that WT Walsh defies the Authority of Pope Clement V( of pleasant memory) and I doubt that words of his will be found doing that.

I will look in my Walsh books and get back in a day or two with the source information.

actually, the Chinon parchement is felt to be authentic and if so, then yes, repealed.....

http://www.inrebus.com/chinon.php

Plus testimony of other Royals, nobles, clergy,etc.....mostly point to a weak, French influenced Pope and greedy Louis IV