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E. Michael Jones take on Freemasons
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 12:53:50 PM »
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Columba
Quote from: roscoe
There are 12 infallible Bulls condemning Templars which no Church Authority has ever even attempted to have repealed. V2 anti-church of course does not count.

Apparently there are some who think they tell the Church what to do. I highly doubt that WT Walsh defies the Authority of Pope Clement V( of pleasant memory) and I doubt that words of his will be found doing that.

I will look in my Walsh books and get back in a day or two with the source information.


actually, the Chinon parchement is felt to be authentic and if so, then yes, repealed.....

http://www.inrebus.com/chinon.php

Plus testimony of other Royals, nobles, clergy,etc.....mostly point to a weak, French influenced Pope and greedy Louis IV


You are going by the news cycle spin.  The Chinon parchment does not absolve the Templars, that's just what the headlines claimed.

Representing the Templars as being innocent has always been regarded as very important to the dominant school of anticlerical historians.

That's not to say it's impossible they were innocent - it's just to point out that there is strong partisanship on the side of the innocence - as in most historical controversies involving Catholicism, there is a strong bias towards the innocence of the Templars, and that bias is rooted in anticlericalism.

As for Raoul's bizarre statements about the Jews, does he know Philip IV expelled the Jews from France?

E. Michael Jones take on Freemasons
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2012, 01:02:53 PM »
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Columba
Quote from: roscoe
There are 12 infallible Bulls condemning Templars which no Church Authority has ever even attempted to have repealed. V2 anti-church of course does not count.

Apparently there are some who think they tell the Church what to do. I highly doubt that WT Walsh defies the Authority of Pope Clement V( of pleasant memory) and I doubt that words of his will be found doing that.

I will look in my Walsh books and get back in a day or two with the source information.


actually, the Chinon parchement is felt to be authentic and if so, then yes, repealed.....

http://www.inrebus.com/chinon.php

Plus testimony of other Royals, nobles, clergy,etc.....mostly point to a weak, French influenced Pope and greedy Louis IV


You are going by the news cycle spin.  The Chinon parchment does not absolve the Templars, that's just what the headlines claimed.

Representing the Templars as being innocent has always been regarded as very important to the dominant school of anticlerical historians.

That's not to say it's impossible they were innocent - it's just to point out that there is strong partisanship on the side of the innocence - as in most historical controversies involving Catholicism, there is a strong bias towards the innocence of the Templars, and that bias is rooted in anticlericalism.

As for Raoul's bizarre statements about the Jews, does he know Philip IV expelled the Jews from France?


actually, have articles by traditional, TLM going Catholic historians too, supporting the parchment thesis, none I can easily copy/paste on a forum......
Perhaps, if valid, then the "spin" has been the other 700 yr old story.......

either way, the Order is still under ban and disolved , and yes, notable, Louis IV did kick out the jews......2 birds down for him to scarf up the goodies.....

One has to be open that the "history" we were given for yrs may not add up, or at least, fully. Though tis true, anti-Catholics try to exonerate the Templars, but perhaps, there is soem elements of truth in the story or, wrong doing blown out of proportion.


E. Michael Jones take on Freemasons
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 01:42:28 PM »
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Columba
Quote from: roscoe
There are 12 infallible Bulls condemning Templars which no Church Authority has ever even attempted to have repealed. V2 anti-church of course does not count.

Apparently there are some who think they tell the Church what to do. I highly doubt that WT Walsh defies the Authority of Pope Clement V( of pleasant memory) and I doubt that words of his will be found doing that.

I will look in my Walsh books and get back in a day or two with the source information.


actually, the Chinon parchement is felt to be authentic and if so, then yes, repealed.....

http://www.inrebus.com/chinon.php

Plus testimony of other Royals, nobles, clergy,etc.....mostly point to a weak, French influenced Pope and greedy Louis IV


Like the 'parchement' claiming Card Rampolla was a 'secret occult mason & Grand master of the OTO' or the 'parchement' claiming Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex-commed because he failed to comply, the Chinon 'parchement' is a Fraud.

E. Michael Jones take on Freemasons
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 01:44:35 PM »
Quote from: Columba
Quote from: roscoe
There are 12 infallible Bulls condemning Templars which no Church Authority has ever even attempted to have repealed. V2 anti-church of course does not count.

Apparently there are some who think they tell the Church what to do. I highly doubt that WT Walsh defies the Authority of Pope Clement V( of pleasant memory) and I doubt that words of his will be found doing that.

I will look in my Walsh books and get back in a day or two with the source information.


The only one I haven't read is St Teresa-- it would have to be in there but I doubt it.

E. Michael Jones take on Freemasons
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2012, 01:46:53 PM »
Poster Belloc is beginning to sound like a pathological liar. Philip IV didn't grab any 'goodies'. The Templar property went to Hospitallers.