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E. Michael Jones hooks up with Trunews
« on: October 15, 2019, 04:50:02 PM »
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  • Good stuff.  A must view video.  Protestants and Catholics may be starting to look at each other across the great divide, especially here in America.



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    « Reply #1 on: October 15, 2019, 07:14:30 PM »
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  • E Michael Jones is the only Catholic I know capable of converting people to the Church during this apostasy, as well as having the respect of prots and even Jєωs- all the while telling the hard truth. He is truly amazing


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    « Reply #2 on: October 15, 2019, 08:04:59 PM »
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  • I think Dr. Jones is great as far as I can tell. Of all the Catholic apologists I know who are not priests (and I do not follow that many of them) he is the one I respect the most. And he is not even a traditionalist by our definition as far as I am aware. I respect him more than I respect the traditionalist apologists I know of.
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    « Reply #3 on: October 15, 2019, 08:11:05 PM »
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  • Dr. Jones has the Jєωs' number for sure, but he's Novus Ordo through and through. He says Catholics and Muslims believe in the same God, for example, as per Vatican II. If he came to Tradition, he would bring a lot of good-willed people with him...
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    « Reply #4 on: October 15, 2019, 09:59:57 PM »
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  • I know he's NO ( considering his vast knowledge, this never ceases to bother me). He has avoided speaking about the current crisis in the Church, but recently I heard him speaking not-so-fondly of Francis- I forget the quote. He spoke at a conference  that we went to 5 years ago in DC and we sat at his table- very interesting guy.
    The conference was recommended by Bishop Williamson. (so we went)


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    « Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 09:17:38 PM »
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  • Who is Dr. E. Michael Jones... really ?

    His scholarship has given us a lot of insight into the history of the Jєωιѕн revolutionary spirit, in a modern Catholic context.

    The missing link in his intellect is his refusal to embrace the traditional Roman Catholic Faith.

    Early in the year, Randy Engle outed Jones as an operative of Opus Dei.
    Is it true?

    If so, it could mean Dr. Jones has been a “Ringer”, positioned to gain our confidence and control information as needed.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: E. Michael Jones hooks up with Trunews
    « Reply #6 on: October 16, 2019, 09:55:26 PM »
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  • E  Michael Jones' response to Randy Engel re; Opus Dei

    Response to Randy Engel
    by E. Michael Jones
    Randy Engel recently posted a lengthy column on at least two websites, here and here, addressing publication of my e-book The Man Behind the Curtain: Michael Voris and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Vortex. What follows is the response that I sent to her on April 20, 2017.
    Dear Randy,
    I am not a member of Opus Dei, nor do I have any ties “concrete” or otherwise to that organization. Once upon a time I attended evenings of reflection at the local center, but more recently I was banned from speaking at Opus Dei’s Catholic Information Center in Washington. I have friends in Opus Dei. Marc Brammer is one of them. Another Opus Dei friend was warned by the American prelate not to have anything to do with me. Fortunately, he didn’t follow that advice. I have no intention of distancing myself from my friends even if their organization has distanced itself from me.
    At this point, I have a question. Why would an organization like Opus Dei want to be associated with someone with my views? Opus Dei is probably the world’s most prominent purveyor of neoconservative Catholicism, not just here but throughout the world. Why would a group like that want me as a member? Do you think that hobnobbing with the author of The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit is going to enhance Opus Dei’s image in the halls of power in Washington or New York? I don’t think so. Nor do they, which is why they do whatever they deem necessary to avoid any contact with me. Opus Dei is happy to invite George Weigel, but Father Stetson showed what he thought of me when he unilaterally canceled the book signing I had at the Catholic Information Center.
    This brings me to the really pernicious aspect of your expose. It’s not simply that it’s full of factual errors, like the alleged location of a nonexistent Opus Dei center in Ferndale, Michigan. Your article is suffused with the sense that personal friendship, far from transcending political differences, is reason to denounce someone for what someone else does or believes. Since you could not make a connection between me and Opus Dei and the sordid story of Church Militant on factual or principled grounds, you had to stoop to guilt by association. Are we now supposed to be judged by our associations instead of what we believe and say and do? As someone I admire once said, “If what I said is false, point out the error. If what I said is true, why do you strike me?”
    Why am I responsible for someone else’s activities?  Who made you the judge of my friendships?  This is the way the Pharisees treated Jesus when he ate with tax collectors and prostitutes. Was Jesus contaminated by his association with them? Am I somehow contaminated by my friendship with Marc Brammer? Or, more importantly, is he somehow contaminated by his association with me? I’m sure there are people in Opus Dei who think so, but I don’t and don’t think Jesus would either.
     If this is not the case, why have I been subjected to the same pharisaical strictures which the Jєωs imposed on Jesus? Who put you in charge of my relationships? The answer to all of these questions is the schismatic lack of charity that pervades traditionalist circles.  In his treatises on Donatism and Baptism, St. Augustine defined schism as refusal to associate with the body of Christ out of lack of charity and fear of contamination. Bishop Fellay expressed this fear when he said, “the church has cancer. We can’t associate with the church because then we would get cancer.”
    Now I am subjected to the same intolerable lack of charity by you. This is not the way I run my life. To the point, Bishop Williamson stayed at my house twice. Does this establish “concrete ties” with the Society of St. Pius X? Does it make me a closet Lefebvrite? Or is it an indication that personal friendship can sometimes transcend ideological difference? Is that what you’re trying to preclude? If so, I reject your attempt to do so and the stunning lack of charity and narrow-mindedness that prompted you to make the attempt.
    Please post this response on your website.
    Thanks,
    Mike     

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    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2019, 02:47:54 PM »
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  • Just consider that E. Michael Jones is an very bright man who is also very energetic in his style of speaking - although I consider him a lickspittle - he also is possesses a depth of knowledge and has the wherewithal to categorize it quickly during a conversation.  The guy is definitely a bright guy.  But so what?  Does he like engaging in straw man arguments?  Yes.  Does he pursue the truth?  Not particularly, especially when the truth for him is just besting someone in a debate. 

    Ask why E. Michael Jones is a Novus Ordite.  Ask why he "seems" to have the Jєω's number.  Ask why he's never wondered about the current leadship in the Novus Ordo.  

    Having said all that - if you guys enjoy reading his stuff and watching his appearances then please continue to enjoy but he's actually a knight in full regalia using his sword to fight against Catholic Tradition. 


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    « Reply #8 on: October 18, 2019, 07:12:07 PM »
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    Capt. Mc: Having said all that - if you guys enjoy reading his stuff and watching his appearances then please continue to enjoy but he's actually a knight in full regalia using his sword to fight against Catholic Tradition. 

     
    I started this thread, which has predictably gone wobbly, and in record time at that. My motive in opening the topic was not to have it used to impugn Jone’s integrity or character. I intended merely to show how a prominent Catholic and an Evangelical news agency had made a connection with one another over some real issues.

    If Jones is a “knight” fighting against “Catholic Tradition,” let’s have evidence of that. He may be. I know little about him, except for watching a few video interviews. His knowledge, particularly about the Jєωs and their history, seems pretty profound to me. But, if, as you imply, he is doing a targeted assault on Catholic tradition, then, of course, we ought to know more about it.  That he is, or may be an NO Catholic, is no proof, IMO, that he is necessarily against tradition.

    Please point us to solid evidence of your contention.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 18, 2019, 09:26:57 PM »
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  • Jones has made and continues to make very important contributions, indeed.

    I am only speculating, but I think the hang-up for Jones if you can call it that may be that he stubbornly adheres (whether he admits it openly or not) to the idea that faith is subservient to obedience.  If this is true then he is certainly not alone as there are many, many conservative Catholics who also adhere to this false idea.

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  • Glad you posted on this Klas.

    “But”.... I don’t think Dr. Jones passes the same litmus test you gave to Tradition in Action?

    Was Jones ever giving us a lecture on how the Jєωs did 911?

    He’s given us a ton of insight into the nasty nature of the Jєω, but he avoids 
    the key point that they’ve hijacked and are running the Catholic Church.

    Jones calls the Judaic “Opus Dei” cult neo tradition?  On this point, I believe Randy Engel, that they are the true Masonic administrative organization running the Church.  

    As we know, they have many media outlets for which to speak to the faithful.

    “Bishop” Michael Voris is one of many Opus Dei news outlets.

    I have a friend, a traditional Holy religious who grew up in an Opus Dei family.  He describes the cult as, “Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ inside the Church”.

    I will never trust Dr. Jones, when he continues to explain the disaster of Vatican II, as a CIA plot, assisted by Time Magazine. ( Which he did recently in a talk on the Irish).
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #11 on: October 19, 2019, 06:45:42 AM »
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  • Just consider that E. Michael Jones is an very bright man who is also very energetic in his style of speaking - although I consider him a lickspittle - he also is possesses a depth of knowledge and has the wherewithal to categorize it quickly during a conversation.  The guy is definitely a bright guy.  But so what?  Does he like engaging in straw man arguments?  Yes.  Does he pursue the truth?  Not particularly, especially when the truth for him is just besting someone in a debate.

    Ask why E. Michael Jones is a Novus Ordite.  Ask why he "seems" to have the Jєω's number.  Ask why he's never wondered about the current leadship in the Novus Ordo.  

    Having said all that - if you guys enjoy reading his stuff and watching his appearances then please continue to enjoy but he's actually a knight in full regalia using his sword to fight against Catholic Tradition.
    Actually, I believe he has beaten up on the leadership at times, but more of the American side of the Church , particularly the homos and the "catholic" academia like Notre Dame. I don't believe he's a big Francis fan but was more of Benedict fanboy.
    Also, I don't really see him attacking Tradition, unless you're talking about the catholic tradition of pedophile priests and closet homos in the Church hierarchy. 

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    « Reply #12 on: October 19, 2019, 07:02:14 AM »
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  • Personally, I like Jones, I think he has a lot of cajones taking on the Jєωs and queers in and out of the Church.

    He definitely is principled and of high moral and academic intellect. Although for all his capability for reason and critical thought and historical education, he makes some ridiculous statements sometimes like Christianity or Catholicism in particular brought "civilization" to Europe, especially the northern Germanic tribes running around savagely in the Black Forests.

    Obviously he discounts the entire pagan Roman Empire, highly civilized and advanced as well as the Greeks, centuries before anyone in Europe  even knew about Christ or the Jєωs. And let's not forget about all the other nonChristian  ancient civilizations in China and India or even the Persians, thousands of years before they even know what a bible looked like.

    Some of his other views are highly suspect as well, like he actually believes that religion determines one's ethnicity.

    He actually believes you can pluck a deep dark  African pagan tribesman from the Dark Continent, place him in Poland, convert him to Catholicism and somehow magically transforms in an "ethnic" Pole.......

    Sorry Dr. Jones, that is complete and utter nonsense. ::)

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    « Reply #13 on: October 19, 2019, 08:41:41 AM »
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  • Glad you posted on this Klas.

    “But”.... I don’t think Dr. Jones passes the same litmus test you gave to Tradition in Action?

    Was Jones ever giving us a lecture on how the Jєωs did 911?


    For the record I certainly don't agree with much of Jones take on traditional Catholicism.  Now on to Incred's above comment.

    For the benefit of any who may not be sure of the litmus test Incred is referring to it is the one I applied to TIA by pointing out that they -- even to this day as far as I know -- insist on adhering to the U.S. Government's official 9-11 narrative (i.e., 19 men associated with al-Qaeda hijacked 4 commercial jets on 9-11, etc., etc.  Rather mind boggling would you not agree that TIA would be so adamantly unwavering in their support of this idiotic fairy tale tailor made for Joe six pack and much ot the rest of the non-discerning and largely insouciant public?

    To make sense of this it is helpful to recall how TIA has taken a just as insane stance in maintaining that our immoral, unjust, and totally criminal wars of aggression in the Middle East are just wars according to the proper application of traditional Catholic principles regarding same.  Say what?!  Yea, I know go figure!

    Now, as to Jones and whether he passes the same litmus test -- i.e., the test of whether or not a public person or entity is willing to openly question the U.S. Government's aforesaid evil lying fairy tale.  As regards that test I bring to your attention the truly extraordinary cover story that Jones had Robert Sungenis do in the former's "journal of record," -- Culture Wars.  The cover story which I link below was that of a very lengthy book review that Sungenis did of Christopher Bollyn's book Solving 9-11.  (The book can be seen at Bolllyn's website: https://www.bollyn.com/ .)  Sungenis review of the book was so extensive that it actually ran a good many more pages into the next issue of Culture Wars as well.
    Why do I bring this up?  It's because Sungenis very rightly praises over and over again the incredibly superb investigative (and fact checked) work of Bollyn.

    So what exactly is this work Bollyn puts forth in Solving 9-11?  He shows with magnificent and fully footnoted/docuмented/damning detail how 9-11 was planned, executed, and covered-up primarily by Jєωιѕн Zionists at ever major point of planning, execution and cover-up.  In PDF form which can be found on the Internet the Sungenis' review runs 39 pages with no less than 95 footnotes!
    Here is the link to the 9-11 Cover Story in E. Michael Jones' Culture Wars: https://culturewars.com/volumes-31-40/cw-31-8
    So much for Jones not passing the 9-11 litmus test.  It appears that by allowing this extraordinary review he passes it with flying colors!  As far as I know he has never contested a single thing that Bollyn wrote in his damning book about the Jєωs and their mega involvement in 9-11.
    Here's just one short passage from the early part of Sungenis' great review: "Unlike many books that deal with 911, Mr. Bollyn’s is different in that it spends about 80 percent of the time uncovering who did the dastardly deed rather than how the buildings came down. As such, his title, Solving 9-11, is not as revealing as it could be. It might better be titled with the same words that Bollyn quotes on page 144 from Dr. Alan Sabrosky, Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College5: “It is 100 percent certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation. Period.”6
    www.bollyn.com/public/Review_of_Solving_911.pdf

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    « Reply #14 on: October 19, 2019, 09:06:02 AM »
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  • For the record I certainly don't agree with much of Jones take on traditional Catholicism.  Now on to Incred's above comment.

    For the benefit of any who may not be sure of the litmus test Incred is referring to it is the one I applied to TIA by pointing out that they -- even to this day as far as I know -- insist on adhering to the U.S. Government's official 9-11 narrative (i.e., 19 men associated with al-Qaeda hijacked 4 commercial jets on 9-11, etc., etc.  Rather mind boggling would you not agree that TIA would be so adamantly unwavering in their support of this idiotic fairy tale tailor made for Joe six pack and much ot the rest of the non-discerning and largely insouciant public?

    To make sense of this it is helpful to recall how TIA has taken a just as insane stance in maintaining that our immoral, unjust, and totally criminal wars of aggression in the Middle East are just wars according to the proper application of traditional Catholic principles regarding same.  Say what?!  Yea, I know go figure!

    Now, as to Jones and whether he passes the same litmus test -- i.e., the test of whether or not a public person or entity is willing to openly question the U.S. Government's aforesaid evil lying fairy tale.  As regards that test I bring to your attention the truly extraordinary cover story that Jones had Robert Sungenis do in the former's "journal of record," -- Culture Wars.  The cover story which I link below was that of a very lengthy book review that Sungenis did of Christopher Bollyn's book Solving 9-11.  (The book can be seen at Bolllyn's website: https://www.bollyn.com/ .)  Sungenis review of the book was so extensive that it actually ran a good many more pages into the next issue of Culture Wars as well.
    Why do I bring this up?  It's because Sungenis very rightly praises over and over again the incredibly superb investigative (and fact checked) work of Bollyn.

    So what exactly is this work Bollyn puts forth in Solving 9-11?  He shows with magnificent and fully footnoted/docuмented/damning detail how 9-11 was planned, executed, and covered-up primarily by Jєωιѕн Zionists at ever major point of planning, execution and cover-up.  In PDF form which can be found on the Internet the Sungenis' review runs 39 pages with no less than 95 footnotes!
    Here is the link to the 9-11 Cover Story in E. Michael Jones' Culture Wars: https://culturewars.com/volumes-31-40/cw-31-8
    So much for Jones not passing the 9-11 litmus test.  It appears that by allowing this extraordinary review he passes it with flying colors!  As far as I know he has never contested a single thing that Bollyn wrote in his damning book about the Jєωs and their mega involvement in 9-11.
    Here's just one short passage from the early part of Sungenis' great review: "Unlike many books that deal with 911, Mr. Bollyn’s is different in that it spends about 80 percent of the time uncovering who did the dastardly deed rather than how the buildings came down. As such, his title, Solving 9-11, is not as revealing as it could be. It might better be titled with the same words that Bollyn quotes on page 144 from Dr. Alan Sabrosky, Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College5: “It is 100 percent certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation. Period.”6
    www.bollyn.com/public/Review_of_Solving_911.pdf


    Looks like I need to buy another book!

    The comments on Amazon are fascinating:

    Once again, I can’t get the Amazon link to show; apparently CI and Amazon don’t play well together, so I will post a couple of the brief reviews/comments.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."